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29 Dec 2017 15:34:34
I was one of the fans who really wanted stability to stick with a manager, give them plenty of time to get a decent backroom staff together and to try and implement a way of playing that can work through from the youngsters to the first team. I am however struggling to see enough positives from MW - the way he plays should be worked on through the academy and I'm sure we would see results in the coming years here comes the problem!

I cannot think of any manager who has ever been successful who hasn't played to his players or collective groups strengths, the level of success doesn't matter - it could be winning the champions league, a cup or winning a relegation battle. It looks to me that we are playing to our weaknesses in an attempt to play in a way that some of our players just cannot do.

We do have some good players and if they are encouraged to play to their strengths rather than their weaknesses we could easily have an extra 6-10 points this season. Come on breadman - play to our strengths and we will all support you, keep messing and it's a downwards spiral and more fans will get on your back.

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1.) 29 Dec 2017 17:05:20
But he’s not got a full squad capable of playing the football he wants. He’s not moaned about the squad that he has but it’s certainly obvious he feels he needs more of a certain type of player.

You’re right, we need stability but more importantly, and possibly above other things - we need patience and belief. No one is saying, “let’s see how this works over the next 5 years” - it’s a case of us understanding that right now, we are simply a mid table team trying to improve.

That improvement comes from a structure, a philosophy and a recruitment plan which are all on the same page.

Give this man another season and if it’s not working we look at our options. I’d also make a case for us being unable to attract top, top managers if we continue this revolving door policy.


2.) 29 Dec 2017 18:43:56
2 tone your bang on regarding players playing to strengths.Joe Worrall is a good example.When he keeps it simple he looks class but sometimes I feel he takes risks with the ball when it's just not necessary and seems out of character.I do have to give MW credit for giving some of these young men a chance.Past managers have been guilty of having a closed door policy on young players development.


3.) 29 Dec 2017 19:18:51
Ldn red - he’ll never have a full squad capable of playing the way he wants, that’s a completely different level to where we are and would cost millions!! If he isn’t careful he will ruin some of our ‘better’ players as they will forget what they are actually good at. I want to back him and give him a few years but I do want to see steady signs of improvement


4.) 29 Dec 2017 19:56:43
I’m not saying you’re wrong - but what I will point to is that in past/current seasons, teams which play a very similar style to us have competed at the top end or been promoted without spending millions.

Teams like: Sheffield United, Reading, Fulham, Bournemouth, Watford and Swansea.

MW won’t be looking to try and spend millions, he’ll be selecting players which fit his style.


5.) 29 Dec 2017 21:51:21
Bang on 2tone. Best post on here for ages


6.) 29 Dec 2017 21:53:35
Another season... You really think so?
Please lnd red enlighten us to why you think he should be given another season?
You state you want to sit down all of whom disagree with the way of the breadman... Again please enlighten us? Myself like many feel exactly like 2tone.

The inability to address many shortcomings is not how structure is built.
Structure comes from the chairman down to the staff who steward each week.
There seems to be a piece missing where Warburton is concerned his way of tactics, leaving players out in the cold and playing out position isn't a structured formula.
Yes structure takes time I agree but how much time is required.... 2,3,4 seasons?
So lnd red please with your infinite wisdom and inside knowledge tell us why Mr. Warburton is the messiah?


7.) 29 Dec 2017 23:11:04
I’m not one for enlightenment, I have an opinion, just like everyone here.

There’s certainly negatives with some of MW’s decisions, not all I’ve agreed with. But why kick us when we’re down though? Why get rid of the manager so quickly and start from scratch - AGAIN.

I feel it boils down to this. We have a young squad incapable of playing MW’s tactics on a regular basis and some fan favourites not getting as much game time as people would like. I’d be the first to say that we should’ve signed a CB and a GK in the summer, I’d like to think we tried (Hector & Federici) at least! The defence is certainly our weak point and it’s of course a shortcoming thay it wasn’t fixed back then.

The team he has now isn’t even his yet. There’s plenty of players in there which don’t suit the way Warburton wants to play which I think is largely why some players are being played out of position or not at all (Vellios). I personally feel we need to trust in a philosophy/manager and buy players which are suited to that style. It’s the only way we can make a real success of this - not by bringing in someone new and having them reshape the squad their way.

If we’ve learnt anything over the past few years, it’s that changing manager takes us at least 8months to reset. It’s been the thing which has largely held us back in recent years.

What we have now (I think), is a manager who wants to promote from within, has a clear idea of how he wants us to play and is willing to build a squad capable of doing that in his style. It doesn’t just happen in 1 window (incredibly rarely!).

Worth noting quickly - if we lose MW, we also lose our DoF, Frank McParland. Not something I’d want to do in a hurry.

Warburton aside for a minute - and remembering last season, where do people feel would be an acceptable place for us to finish based on our squad. Top half would be a lot of progress in my book.

If we can manage our expectations and take the lows with the highs, I think we’ll all be better for it.


8.) 30 Dec 2017 09:38:31
LDN Red

I agree with what you are trying to get across, but i feel 2 things are getting on most people's nerves are, we let the opposition score too easily, and there has been little sign of it being sorted, and inspite all of our possession, and odd patches of really good football the opposition mostly out play us.

It is a slow process, and we should try to be more positive, and hope for the best, but with each loss it gets harder.


9.) 30 Dec 2017 10:25:00
With you there 100%. Who here could say watching us lose is much fun?! I was at the Wednesday game and felt for much of the match we were actually miles better than them. 3 one on ones and a strong penalty shout - we were unfortunate not to go in 3-1 up at half time.

I digress.

The defence is a cause for concern and a large one at that. Most attacking possession based sides do leave themselves open at the back. We do need to be more solid but I’d wager that this is a personnel issue more than anything else.

Look at Huddersfield’s style of play (Champ and Prem), they look to out score you rather than play bland, slow football where you’d be lucky to see us score a goal. Progress is slow but my god, weren’t we a lot worse before?

The statement from the new owners and in particular the new chairman stated they wanted stability. This comes from trust and again, managing our own expectations.


 

 

14 Jan 2017 18:51:19
25 million for a club like ours which is running at a loss, has no real assets and no structure still seems an awful lot of money. Fawaz thinks it's worth double that? Whose mad? Is it fawaz, is it the yanks for spending so much time and effort on a gamble that the selller might just crumble and give it away at the last minute or is it the fans who think the club is something that any sane businessman would buy at 50 mill? I'd suggest it's all three of the above?

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1.) 14 Jan 2017 19:03:50
It's a gamble but run the club right and we could be worth a hell of a lot more. just think with fawaz gone we will have the 10k back that are staying away whilst he's in charge bringing more money in. get Nigel clough or rowatt in and we will never lose another game and be promoted first season which again brings even more money in! simple


2.) 14 Jan 2017 19:25:28
Lets take it on dragons den see if peter jones will invest


3.) 14 Jan 2017 19:41:00
Nffc is a brand, and as one of only 5 English clubs to be. European champions, then yes, worth 50 mill. Famous throughout the world, and that, you can't buy. Well you can, but you know what I mean!


4.) 14 Jan 2017 19:42:28
what crystal ball you been using?


5.) 14 Jan 2017 22:31:49
None of the championship clubs make money unless they have parachute payments. The difference is a prem team costs 150M and a champ team can get brought for sub 30M. Get it right. get paid.

Our attraction is we have history and fan base. but no ground. We are in this melee every year until we either go up or down. Same as 16 of the other teams. Championship teams lose money. They operate on negative equity. Like it or not Fawaz has helped us exist. JJM would have just been the next one to spin us for another 5 years.


 

 

27 Aug 2013 01:06:47
ive been told Rhodes is going Wigan on the final day of the window? Info from a big scouse fan with good links around the nw

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1.) No you just read the rumour yesterday. Wigan may however have the cash to buy him after the sale of young midfielder James McCarthy.


2.) Forest rumours

{Ed034's Note - this is a forest rumour as fans on here have been talking about him. If any fan doesn't like the rumour being posted, ignore it and move on to the next


3.) If i'd seen that rumour yesterday why would I just post it again? As I said in the op I was told this by a lpool fan who has good links around the north west.


4.) And its the same Liverpool fan who told me that I wouldn't be able to understand carragher on tv! So he us 100% correct with his info so far this season :-)

{Ed034's Note - he is awful


5.) Not according to Blackburn MD who says they will not sell to Wigan. Its going to be an interesting week to see who we get and who goes. If we could sell a few Rhodes could be affordable with the financial rules.


6.) He has a terrible tv voice which seems to get higher and higher the more animated he gets! Knows his stuff though and says it how it is

Keeno


7.) Wigan have signed Grant Holt - why would they need another?


 

 

 

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23 Sep 2021 14:57:57
What's everyone's views on the direby situation? I'm not from Nottingham so I haven't got as much as the 'local rivalry' as most of you guys. My view is that pretty much every club is one decision or bad move away from being in exactly the same situation and my local team has been through the same so I can't get any real joy from it but I guess derby did actually taken it to another level with manipulating rules so much, so there is an element of karma? Point deductions and Relegation is punishment enough but I'd hate for another club to go out of business.

2tone

1.) 23 Sep 2021 15:32:59
They deserve all they get, hope they do go through,


2.) 23 Sep 2021 15:34:00
There was two ways of putting them down 2tone, points deduction or CO2 gas. Couldn't get the latter so had to be points mate.


3.) 23 Sep 2021 15:43:37
the Sheep fans Iv, e spoken to all blame Big Mel for throwing the Kitchen sink at getting into the Prem and losing the play off final . Every Championship club wants the promised land and they want it yesterday we need to settle down and build it over the next 3-5 yrs but we will not get there unless we stop changing Managers and players at the rate we are . There have been some good Managers in our recent past that may have done that given more time, but we the fans must take some responsibility for calling for their heads I amongst them.


4.) 23 Sep 2021 15:47:38
Goodbye sheep no more not for one minute there fans 2tone would care if it was us.


5.) 23 Sep 2021 16:05:36
They broke the rules and have finally paid the penalty. The financial rules are there to try and stop clubs going for broke - they just did that, tried to cheat their way out of it with the sale of the ground. I have no sympathy but it does highlight that the ownership model of clubs needs to change. If sheep fans had been part owners of the club then I am sure this would have been prevented. The same could have happened to us and could still. I hope the government looks at this and brings in rules like they have in Germany on ownership. After all owners are only temporary custodians of the club and the fans are permanent!


6.) 23 Sep 2021 16:15:16
I'm well pleased!
Never forget the crap we took off them for 2 years ago, remember Robbie Savage's antics?
And when they thrashed us 5-0.
Suck it up!


7.) 23 Sep 2021 16:39:06
Bit harsh lads 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What about the other 9 points? 🎈.


8.) 23 Sep 2021 17:16:41
should be treated like bury, and chucked out of the efl.


9.) 23 Sep 2021 17:43:21
No sympathy whatsoever.
DIREBY deserve what they get.


10.) 23 Sep 2021 19:09:05
i suspect derby supporters are just like us, only support a different team. Like so many ordinary fans they have been let down by a dodgy owner. I reckon we need rivalries but i wish them no real ill and i would rather have a bit of banter in a pub with a derby fan than some rugby following muppet. However the above doesn't apply to Fester.


11.) 24 Sep 2021 07:33:01
Sheep fans were all loving it when mad Mel Bent the rules in half to pay Rooney 100k a week, thinking how big time they were, now they are all pointing the finger at him, the fact is derby were nothing before clough and have been nothing since, build a few more shops on the prideless Park pitch, good riddance to a bunch of attention seeking serial financial cheats, they even got banned from Europe for a season when clough was there for financial irregularities, so it’s nothing new with them,


12.) 24 Sep 2021 08:29:28
I agree Oakham, it's always the fans that suffer through this although we don't really have much sympathy for the Derby fans.

The true loser in all of this of course is Wycombe, none of this is going to help them now and it should have been Derby relegated last season and not them. I feel bad for those guys and they really tried right to the wire.


13.) 25 Sep 2021 09:55:30
Ba ba down sheep have you any money Mel says yes sir yes sir 3 quid that’s all.
Hope the **** go down and then out of business for good.
We hate dierby we hate dierby we hate dierby hate em sheep sheep sheep sha@@ers.


 

 

18 Sep 2021 16:34:08
Linford - Look what you can achieve with a positive mental attitude 🤣⚽️.

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16 Sep 2021 23:41:30
Skeggy - help me out mate.
Pour me a Stella to calm me down, someone's just mentioned Prince Billy as manager 😱 🤣.

2tone

1.) 17 Sep 2021 00:27:42
I got it to tone sitting here getting pissed in my kitchen thinking why would anyone ever take this job Billy 3 no thanks lol this is what we're up against to many forest fans living in the past no quick fix I'm afraid wait for the non league foreign manager to take over lol no wonder us forest fans are always pissed only way we can look forward to next game and manager.


 

 

22 Aug 2021 01:53:00
21 Aug 2021 19:11:29
Fawaz i thought CH would have done a lot better and I also thought we were going to have a decent season last season- the club is rotten and I do think CH should be sacked but my main issue isn't with the manager or even the owner - 1)who on earth in their right mind would come to us unless they are paid over the top? 2) who on earth would buy or invest in us?
Now I honestly think we will go down and have no alternative but to go with the youth and try to change the whole outlook of the club. Awful times to be a forest fan 😞.

2tone

1.) 22 Aug 2021 07:10:31
2Tone something isn't right at Forest.
How different manager's have tried and failed.
Are the Forest hierarchy that arrogant they tell Manager's who and how to play?
We will never know unfortunatel?
Again i think you're correct that Forest will be relegated as this team aren't a Championship team anymore.


 

 

18 Aug 2021 23:14:33
And CH says he will take the rough with the smooth 🤷🏻‍♂️ Ok but when have we had the smooth?

2tone

1.) 19 Aug 2021 06:54:07
Brilliant. The problem is 2tone, CH thinks a 0-0 bore draw is the smooth.


 

 

 

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17 Sep 2021 18:30:47
Damson I’m sure he’d improve our fitness levels 🤷🏻‍♂️
He could also bring his mate, Prince bill with him 🤣.

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08 Sep 2021 17:26:54
We can’t afford the other option ff79 - it really is as simple as that, the type of player you talk about would interest prem sides and even teams abroad. Players use us as a stepping stone back into football either due to injury, poor form or fall outs with coaches/ managers at their clubs. We can’t attract quality players so have to take the gamble- unfortunately we haven’t had many bets come in 🤷🏻‍♂️.

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01 Sep 2021 21:06:02
I heard the ceo is loving it - the easiest job he’s ever had, all he has to do is log on here every few hours and do what we tell him to do 🤷🏻‍♂️.

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28 Jul 2021 11:13:00
Ummm what’s the odds on another club will step in and sign him.

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21 Mar 2021 15:00:02
What’s the weather like?

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19 Oct 2021 13:52:47
I’m not sure either but find it a bit strange that you’re not bothered by it 2 star? Could be a lot of money going out of the club that would help us to compete and do well?

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08 Oct 2021 19:36:06
Top man Bowie - we should never keep quiet about mistakes and/ or choices we’ve made but we should be proud when we come through the other side of it and even prouder if we can help others! Just talking and being open about issues is a great starting point.
You should be proud of yourself and good on you mate 👍.

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25 Sep 2021 17:13:04
Bannister replaced teddy sheringham didn’t he? 🤣.

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17 Sep 2021 20:45:56
Congratulations - enjoy your celebratory drinks mate 👍.

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16 Sep 2021 21:20:20
You ok Rutland?

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