Nottingham Forest Rumours Member Posts

 

RedCyclist's Profile

Current Avatar:
RedCyclist's Avatar
Correct Score Competition:

Not entered
Correct Score Competition
Flat Out Racing:

Not played Flat Out Racing


Current Profile Picture:
Click to view larger image
RedCyclist's Profile Picture

Team:


Where from:


Favourite player:


Best team moment:


Interests:


Timezone:




RedCyclist's Posts and Other Poster's Replies To RedCyclist's Posts

 

 

To RedCyclist's last 5 rumours posts

 

To RedCyclist's last 5 banter posts

 

To RedCyclist's last 5 rumour replies

 

To RedCyclist's last 5 banter replies

 

RedCyclist's rumours posts with other poster's replies to RedCyclist's rumours posts

 

13 May 2021 11:16:48
Apparently Forest are trying to sign Dion Charles from Accrington Stanley.

He is a left footed, striker/ forward. Scored 19 goals in league one this season, is 25 years of age and recently broke into the Northern Ireland squad.

If he has pace I'd say that looks like a good signing if we are willing to put up the money. His contract is about to end. They have a one-year option for another year so will probably cost £1.5M plus add-ons.

Apparently he presses high which would probably suit Hughton.


1.) 13 May 2021 12:19:13
worth a try, forget prem cast offs, they have to much money and are not botherd, [ colback, knockers], mid 20s from div 3 why not.


2.) 13 May 2021 13:55:26
You say that, but you only have to look at Lyle Taylor as an example of lower league players out of their depth in the Championship.


3.) 13 May 2021 14:00:14
Murdock, if we had said that about Birtles, Collymore, Keane we would have a much worse history.

Buy few of these then even if one does well you get a profit when you sell them later. Look at Brentford and Peterborough. Develop players, give them games. Make a profit or get promotion. That is the formula.

With our record of developing players we are attractive to younger players and should be in with a shout.


4.) 13 May 2021 15:18:50
Taylor is 30 or 31 and wanted a good payday. He’s a decent striker but nothing more.
Signing a 25 year old shows ambition imo as he’ll want to prove himself at championship level. For the right price could be a great bit of business.


5.) 13 May 2021 18:51:54
Hopefully if Taylor stays he will do a bit better next season. He looks ok apart from not scoring enough haha.


6.) 13 May 2021 22:03:52
Taylor needs offloading spends all his time falling down and his arms up in the air wanting the ref to explain why he didn't get a foul.
Bad signing which i said at the time.
Bought because he played one good game against us.


7.) 13 May 2021 23:35:39
Agreed RC, bought because of the goals he scored in League one and the Championship for Charlton, decent striker at this level if given service.

Captain downer strikes again:)


8.) 14 May 2021 05:15:33
To some extent I agree that Taylor has been a huge disappointment but let’s be honest the service he has had has been woeful. We could play Ronaldo up front- if the ball doesn’t arrive to him in the correct areas then he won’t score. No creativity, pace or guile in the side . That’s the truth wether we like Taylor or not.


9.) 14 May 2021 08:19:59
That's a terrible comparison to make RC. The players you mention all clearly had the talent and ability and you could see that. Taylor scores 14 goals in the twighlight of his career, I'm afraid we bought the hype rather than anything else.


10.) 14 May 2021 12:46:53
We should have given walker more time just my opinion he's still scored more than our forwards even though injured for a chunk of the season but his problem was playing in a sh#t team and all the expectation was on him to save us poor lad, read as well that landsbury has been let go by Bristol fans said he was pants I tend to agree with them he had the odd good game when here another player who thought he was better than he was again just my opinion.


11.) 14 May 2021 13:23:31
Walker made thirty one appearances but only fourty four percent of those were in the starting eleven.

He scored seven times and made three assists.

Forest did not make much money from him so it was not a case of selling him to balance the books, it does not make sense why he was not given at least until January of last term to prove himself.


12.) 14 May 2021 13:33:38
FF79. Tellingly Taylor's got a far better goals per game/ minute ratio than your mate Grabban. Are you sure you aren't sulking 'cos you were completely and utterly wrong to back keeping Grabban last summer? Grabban cost us so many points this season. Even when he got 20 goals he was the most likely main striker in the division to miss an "on a plate" chance.

Hughton favours certain players even when the evidence points to them being dropped. I hope - if he stays which doesn't look a certainty yet to me - the worrying trend stops. Sharpish!


13.) 14 May 2021 14:27:35
I totally agree with you guys about Walker. He did score when given a chance, we sell him and can't score goals. Stupid decision.


14.) 15 May 2021 10:30:40
I predict Kyle Taylor will come good given a run of games. He’s got a difficult job atm with being the lone striker and woeful midfield support.


15.) 15 May 2021 11:43:05
Thats Lyle Stokey, but agree, he needs support and service.


16.) 15 May 2021 15:15:38
Murdock, I didn't compare Taylor to those players. I used them as an example of why it is BS to talk about League 1 players not being worth looking at.


17.) 16 May 2021 21:33:08
I feel sorry for any forward playing for us under hughton red cyclist.
Taylor isn't the answer and a league one player.


18.) 17 May 2021 08:21:37
Taylor may not be the answer. Your mate Grabban is on more wages and is worse.


19.) 25 May 2021 16:14:48
Sorry to say lads but until we get the team playing as a unit from back to front through midfield and creating good chances, no forwards no matter who they are will score goals for us, we just don’t cause other teams any trouble either through the middle or out wide. We are so easy to defend against because we don’t have any danger. Grabbon, Taylor, Walker, Charles, Ronaldo, Birtles, Woodcock even Collymore, would struggle to score goals with last season’s set up and personal .
All we need is a tight defence, which we almost have, a midfield that we surely don’t have, to good wingers that can cross a football properly, and a good young hungry striker to push Grabbon and Taylor all the way, out of the club if they don’t improve sharpish . Were we find thoes midfield players though is anybody’s guess, Johnson maybe the start.


20.) 28 May 2021 22:22:19
Taylor/grabban out 1st division one player 2nd no heart.


 

 

22 Mar 2021 16:13:28
The local newspaper has gone very quiet on Nottingham Forest news apart from the statement about the sick fan. This is normally what happens just before some big news is released. The newspaper agree to not report something (embargo) until the club make an announcement in return for the chance of information from the club. They then write a few stories and have them ready.

Far be it from me to start a rumour but could Hughton be about to get the chop?


1.) 22 Mar 2021 18:21:45
Maybe a Lamb chop, that is about it 😁.


2.) 22 Mar 2021 20:07:53
Within 5 minutes of me posting that two normal stories appeared :)


 

 

28 Jan 2021 18:01:02
Apparently the rumour is true. Forest are definitely trying to sign Glenn Murray. It will be either until the end of the season or on an18 month contract.


1.) 28 Jan 2021 18:42:05
Yeah just heard it. Fed up to the back teeth of what we as a club have become: the last haven for those seeking a fat final payoff for their careers. I mean, who wants a 37yr old striker? And he ain't going to want to run and run at that age, just to get a glimmer of a chance at scoring: because our useless midfielders won't be able to cross it to him. that would be way too adventurous, and creative.
We will be the laughing stock of the Championship once more, and I can see all those young opposition players rubbing their hands together at our OAP of a team. CH, jog on.


2.) 28 Jan 2021 19:09:26
He would be decent loan unit the end of the season - if we had some decent players who could cross the ball. Sadly that’s not the case.


3.) 28 Jan 2021 19:35:25
His season so far has been interrupted by injuries?
35k a week wages?
Wont last 90 mins?
Mind you the midfielders would be a lot closer to him? 🤣.


4.) 28 Jan 2021 19:57:18
Very good ff79😂😂.


5.) 28 Jan 2021 21:20:28
Are we going for a record as to the average age of a team.


6.) 28 Jan 2021 21:37:55
I wouldn't complain if we got him until the end of the season IF HE IS ACTUALLY FIT!

I get the boss might want another option, but no way should we be in a position where we need him. If Swann isn't ready why did we let Tyler Walker go? It's obvious we need a player who can either hold up play or somebody quicker than Grabban and Taylor. Yes Murray can hold it up and is good in the air. However, he is hardly going to split defences with his pace.


7.) 28 Jan 2021 21:57:32
All we have done is go full circle from giving Daryl Murphy a three year contract at thirty four to trying to sign a 37 year old?


8.) 29 Jan 2021 12:05:03
Hasn't played for Watford since October. Last I saw the local paper said he was training on his own. Seriously doubt he can be fit.


9.) 29 Jan 2021 16:04:27
He would fit right in with Freeman, Knockeart, Arter, and Colback when they joined.


 

 

16 Jan 2021 23:50:13
This is my calculation. Grabs is early 30s. Assombalonga is 28 and at start of is prime. If Grabs wants a big payday to go to warmer climes with his mate Lamouchi then his wages (and possible fee) would be freed up to spend on the younger Assombalonga.

We aren't needing Grabs goals to go up as we are not going up this season. He will be 34 Next January. So even if he is replaced by Assombalonga and Britt takes time to start banging in goals we should get 5 years more out of Britt than Grabs.

If the financial side means the move can be made then I say it is a good idea, What say my fellow reds?


1.) 17 Jan 2021 08:57:56
I would agree. Think Britt would fit our style of play. Certainly more physical and faster than Grabban. A fully fit Britt is a real handful in this division.


2.) 17 Jan 2021 13:22:48
Could you really see britt coming back to forest after let's just the not so warm welcome when he came back to the city ground, I felt for him really he only did what anyone in their right mind would do and go to work else where for a double wage, it would be great to have him back here though.


3.) 17 Jan 2021 19:33:13
Plenty of players have come back to forest after going for fame and fortune and had to endure.
Theres only one greedy b-----d?
Most of it is sang to put the player off and all it really shows is how good we thought they were.


4.) 17 Jan 2021 19:49:11
Yes, if finance permitted it, I could see Britt in a Forest shirt. He knows his best moments were at Forest and we know we have not had a better striker than him since Brennan Johnson's dad was here.


5.) 17 Jan 2021 20:26:32
Earnshsaw?


6.) 17 Jan 2021 21:52:40
Grabban?


7.) 17 Jan 2021 22:17:51
Earnshaw better that David Johnson? Nah. Loved his attitude but no way as good as DJ!


8.) 18 Jan 2021 13:10:59
Red cyclist you said SINCE DJ.


9.) 20 Jan 2021 16:53:28
Earnshaw wasn't as good as Assombalonga either in my opinion. Good little player though.


 

 

15 Oct 2020 20:42:29
The Lansbury link isn't going away according to reports.

I've seen a lot of negative comments about him on here but I don't agree. forest have desperately needed a midfielder capable of scoring tenn or more goals a season. I'm not sure what midfield you guys have been watching but Lansbury would definitely improve our midfield in my opinion as a goal scoring player and a dead ball specialist.

If Lansbury fits in with the system (s) Hughton will play then I would take a punt on him.


1.) 15 Oct 2020 21:23:02
Been saying the same on here this week cyclist. Totally agree.


2.) 16 Oct 2020 10:10:46
I agree as well, so long as we get the player that did a great job here at Forest when he was here before and not a unfit player looking for a easy time and another pay day, landsbury of old yes please. U REDS.


3.) 16 Oct 2020 13:14:03
Loan for season to prove himself. If we go up. He isn’t good enough for prem.


4.) 17 Oct 2020 09:53:48
Deadball specialist? lol Do we remember Lansbury's deadball delivery? Erratic I'd say.

One good game in five and pretty mediocre the rest of the time. Plus, at least a booking every other game.

But sadly yes, still probably not worse than what we already have lol.


5.) 17 Oct 2020 10:11:26
If lansbury was that great of a midfielder how come he's hardly had a kick at villa or was it when he was at forest the other players were that poor it made him look good.


 

 

 

RedCyclist's banter posts with other poster's replies to RedCyclist's banter posts

 

14 Jul 2021 09:31:56
Apparently, the Police had no idea that "fans were going to storm Wembley. Sting said they have no plans to appear at Wembley in the near future unless Bob Geldof does the planning in future.


1.) 14 Jul 2021 10:11:06
Too busy walking on the Moon.


2.) 14 Jul 2021 10:12:26
The worrying thing for me was, thank clough none of them were wearing a backpack.


3.) 14 Jul 2021 10:24:46
more a case of Don't Stand So Close to Me.


4.) 14 Jul 2021 10:30:59
If only security had thought, every move you make every step you make I'll be watching you.


5.) 14 Jul 2021 11:48:15
Very impressive lads. where else would you get "Pun-Slingers" like ours?


6.) 14 Jul 2021 12:02:03
I’d be asking questions of the Match Commander. Why were no Police there? It’s not the stewards job to be wrestling and mixing it with a lawless mob.


7.) 14 Jul 2021 13:07:04
Stokey you were in the business mate. Was anything actually learned from Manchester. I know this started off with cyclist having a laugh. But seriously would you let your kids go to an event with thousands there. Its something that should be taken very seriously this latest event. Hillsborough for cloughs sake. Get whoever's responsibility it was and jail them probably a few of them more than likely. If we can't secure Wembley there's no hope.


8.) 14 Jul 2021 13:51:46
I guess someone has to pay for policing,


9.) 14 Jul 2021 14:04:23
People had been out on a session since Saturday morning. That and the fact that stewards were taking cash at the doors was a lot to do with it.

The police won't be caught out that easily in future.


10.) 14 Jul 2021 14:05:40
Bowie, my friend, I’ve been retired for 12 years and like many of my retired colleagues in scratching my head as to why events like this can take place. I think, generally, the junior Officers are like Lions led by donkeys with inexperienced careerist senior Officers concentrating on their own rapid rise through the ranks rather than actually getting their hands dirty and arresting lawbreakers. The Home Office actually went to the Supreme Court on appeal to enforce an obscure rule forcing experienced coppers to retire on age grounds. This, together with the Blessed Teresa May following on from Cameron and Osbournes austerity policies reducing Police numbers by a massive 20 %, has led to the breakdown in law and order that you see day in day out. Boris has upped numbers slightly but nothing like it was before the cuts. So, by voting Tory, I guess the country has reaped what it sowed.


11.) 14 Jul 2021 14:34:12
Bang on Stokey that is how policing is now days. The young cops when they do get stuck in get hung out to dry and far more investigated than criminals. To add to that the senior rank officers turn their back on them then throw internal disciplin at them and try their best to sack them to apease woke society.
The bottom line is the police stand the bill for policing the outside of stadiums and the clubs / Fa stand the bill for inside stadium policing. I fancy when the police and the FA held a meating to discuss numbers of officers required inside the stadium the FA played it down to reduce their bill.
Consequences were a free for all yobs.


12.) 14 Jul 2021 15:07:32
As rogie pointed out, where would you get answers like that, great reply stokey 👍.


13.) 14 Jul 2021 15:21:32
Cyclist mate, again they should have learned from Manchester. In that case it was stewards far too young and were embarrassed on approaching people. Nobody can tell me there's not enough money in football to find the right security. Again this takes me back to capping wages and not only putting into security. But helping youth clubs, schools etc etc in the areas . with permanent jobs on talks about racial hatred etc. and funding youth clubs etc makes a lot of kids whos parents are struggling, feel wanted. (sorry i know its another story) but just my view.


14.) 14 Jul 2021 17:30:24
Trent ended, your knowledge is spot on. Are you by any chance a former or serving brother ( or sister) in arms? Obviously no names no packdrill but if your fraternal greetings and best wishes.


15.) 14 Jul 2021 18:32:27
might be Stokey lol
retired
and greetings to you.


16.) 14 Jul 2021 19:47:35
I used to do security part-time years ago. Stewarded at Burnley and Leeds and loads of big events. Most of the "dodgy" security preferred to do concerts and festivals as they knew there was plenty of police at the footy games, so it was easy to do football matches.

That was the 90s though. God knows what is happening these days.


17.) 14 Jul 2021 19:59:58
Well done to you both for your service a vital job so often under valued by society .


18.) 14 Jul 2021 20:12:12
Stokey - was the force in such a great state under previous governments? It makes me laugh when people blame current governments for problems that have existed for several decades. I've nothing but respect for the job you’ve done in the past but the same as the nhs, fire, prison service and many other areas, they have been in a mess under every past government.


19.) 15 Jul 2021 09:17:21
Many thanks 2tone! 2 Star your question is a good one and has a complicated answer. Different governments have had a variable record on the Police over the 30 years I was in the Force from 1979 to 2009. I joined as Mrs Thatcher came to power under whom it was a golden age for us with the Edmund Davies recommendations which were fully implemented for many years giving us decent pay rising with the rate of inflation. She knew the Police needed beefing up in numbers and quality for the forthcoming show down with the NUM. Under the previous Labour governments Police pay was disgraceful with Officers kids being on free school meals for example, numbers were low and unable to Police the various Miners Strikes. Thatcher was big on Law and Order as was Blair. Things went downhill under Cameron, Osbourne and particularly Teresa May as both Home Secretary and then Prime Minister, Slight early upturn under Boris.


 

 

09 Jul 2021 13:14:07
My take on the lack of new signings:

If we don't have a lot of cash available, we might well have a few lined up but are waiting for a fee for one of our younger players. The delay might be down to us holding out for more money for Johnson or Worrall.

In a sense, that might be a good sign (apart from selling good players) in that we are waiting rather than getting in free transfers/ loans in a panic.

We are set to sign at least one Man Utd player on loan. The delay on that is about waiting to see who we sign permanently first.


 

 

02 Jul 2021 20:22:52
New Team:
KG: Samba
DEF: Gabriel, Worrall, McKenna, Colback
DM: Sam Clucas, Garner
AM: Johnson, Carvalho/ Mighten, Lolley
STR: Assombalonga.


1.) 02 Jul 2021 20:37:56
I’d be happy with that but it won’t happen .


2.) 02 Jul 2021 20:57:45
Colback at left back would be the slowest in the country mate, his legs went some time ago and he was never the quickest anyway! Reckon I could get past him and I’m 64 with a bad back😂😂.


3.) 02 Jul 2021 21:30:51
I suspect we're going to struggle to recruit a decent LB without splashing out some dollar!

I'll reserve judgement on Colback's legs until I've seen him fit after pre-season, if he doesn't get injured again.


4.) 02 Jul 2021 22:01:10
Iannou? Thought he did okay at left back when he played, Good in defence and going forward as a wing back and puts a decent cross in. Fell out of favour with Hughtonasauras after his sending off and then shipped out on loan. But I’d be happy to give him another go.


5.) 02 Jul 2021 22:35:11
Totally agree Perko. His treatment mystified me. He must have had cross words with the boss surely?


6.) 02 Jul 2021 22:45:31
Maybe RedCyclist? Think he is better than Bong or Blackett though.


7.) 02 Jul 2021 23:35:56
Assombalonga 👎 carvalho 👎 two players nobody wants. Why should we. Get your heads up and believe again please .


 

 

01 Jun 2021 10:35:19
Surely we aren't considering paying more than a million for Krovinovic? 1 goal and 2 assists in 19 games is useless for a number 10. Carvalho might be inconsistent but he could get that in two good games.


1.) 01 Jun 2021 11:05:48
RC, is FK a no10? I would say a centre mid but no end product and certainly can't shoot. This might sound mad ut i think carvallao and taylor would work better. I hear thst tsylor is being shipped out. that's a strange one.


2.) 01 Jun 2021 11:07:12
Barnsley are one of the clubs that have shown interest in signing Lyle Taylor on loan, after the way the manager treated him it would be plausible the club would send him out on loan but boy would the manager look stupid if he went to Barnsley and he scored plenty of goals to get them up this time.


3.) 01 Jun 2021 11:21:53
GF - he'll score more goals than Grabban, that's for sure.


4.) 01 Jun 2021 11:51:57
I reckon it depends on who we can sign. If we sign 2 strikers and are only going to play one then we don't need Grabs or Taylor potentially. We could have Will Swann and/ or Brennan Johnson as third/ fourth choice upfront.

Apparently the boss is going to keep Grabbs and use him at No10 or no9.


5.) 01 Jun 2021 13:27:51
Johnson played at his best on the wing for Lincoln, Hughton does not believe Swann is up to it.

You can not depend any player staying fit all season especially your strikers, if one of them does get injured then you end up like last season panicking trying to find someone as cover.


6.) 01 Jun 2021 13:32:57
Taylor being moved on is a good move. He is a big earner, and earns that money by sitting on the bench. His wages may fund younger and better talent. When a 37 year old veteran striker is considered better, that says it all really.


7.) 01 Jun 2021 14:48:59
No, FK is not a number 10 really. He is not creative enough for no10 at this level.


8.) 01 Jun 2021 15:41:49
Murdock one managers piece of coal is another managers Diamond.

Going back a lot of years Colin Calderwood did not rate Grant Holt as a striker so put him on the wing, then sold him because he deemed him not good enough on the wing either.

Holt went on to score for fun in the Championship and did well in the PL.

It has said Taylor fell out with the manager, which i believe, and Taylor may not suit the managers tactics.


9.) 02 Jun 2021 00:53:05
I don't remember his name, but we had one striker who fell out with Megson (or a similarly crap boss) and we loaned him out when we were in league one. He fired Norwich to promotion to the Prem (when we were in league one and failed to go up) then scored regularly in the Prem. His name escapes me but he was a decent player.

Anyone remember him?


10.) 02 Jun 2021 04:34:20
So decent you can not remember him. 😁.


11.) 02 Jun 2021 09:34:05
Marlon King. He couldn't get a game for us in league 1. So we sold him to Watford and then he fired them to promotion to the Premier league. Not good enough for us in league one? Bad man management. Probably what the problem is with Taylor.

Transfermarkt has the stats/ details.


 

 

30 May 2021 12:13:02
Stop pretending the Champions League final is an English affair. Few English players, a few ripped off English fans, foreign owners, foreign money, foreign coaches, Wembley shunned.

I refuse to watch any longer. I won't pay a penny to watch Prem football unless we get promoted. End of. Bored of the rip off and the false use of the term "club" to describe what is anything but!


1.) 30 May 2021 13:59:23
What proportion of countries clubs have a majority of home grown players, there might be some but not many.


2.) 30 May 2021 19:46:26
Money tree I’d hazard a guess maybe the bundesliga have a higher proportion of home grown players than most, but it is only a guess,


3.) 30 May 2021 21:10:59
Well said RedCyclist. The chasm between football and it's fans is ever increasing. I'm losing heart.


 

 

 

RedCyclist's rumour replies

 

Click To View This Thread

18 Jul 2021 17:00:06
I'm happy atm too. I just hope/ pray that Hughton wants the team to play a quicker, more dynamic/ expansive game when (if? ) he can get the right players. If he does, then I'm right behind what we are doing. If not, then I am dreading going through that boring process and wasting another season.


 

 

Click To View This Thread

16 Jul 2021 15:53:32
The new CEO has been chasing this player for a while. Let's hope the new boy knows his beans. His record is a good one.


 

 

Click To View This Thread

16 Jul 2021 14:53:43
Buying a goalie for the youth team is irrelevant. If we are going to cash in on Worrall, then we will probably bring in a CD. We need a LB and a RB. So not strange really so far.

If we get the winger and striker we have been chasing, then things will look a lot better. The reason we haven't signed many players is due to NOT panicking IMO.

You often have to wait for teams to line up replacements before they let you take a player you have agreed a fee on. Have patience guys.


 

 

Click To View This Thread

14 Jul 2021 09:27:32
He is an international, so hopefully decent.

It looks as though the scattergun has been put on ice this summer. They seem to have a few clear targets they are trying to get. I'd rather wait if the players aren't available until clubs bring in replacements than hire any old dross.


 

 

Click To View This Thread

06 Jul 2021 14:58:30
He obviously fell out with the boss after he got sent off. Blindingly obvious to me. He looked OK and never really had a chance.


 

 

 

RedCyclist's banter replies

 

Click To View This Thread

23 Jul 2021 14:14:09
If a club was prepared to pay £2-3M for Grabban then he wouldn't be a Forest player. You've gone mad if you think a player that age, who has barely scored in open play for a season and a half, is worth that.


 

 

Click To View This Thread

23 Jul 2021 13:57:45
We aren't limited by the money the owner has, we are limited by financial fair play rules. Nobody can just pump money in unless they cheat like Direby.


 

 

Click To View This Thread

21 Jul 2021 17:10:41
We need a winger, number 10, striker and a LB and RB. That is 5 players. I think they want Clark from spurs on loan and are expecting an attacking player from Man U (maybe along with Garner) . If correct then we still need three signings.

If we don't get a number 10 or striker then we are going to have to pray that Carvalho has a good few months before January and Grabban and/ or Taylor get decent service and also pick up their form. Grabban in particular was useless last season.


 

 

Click To View This Thread

18 Jul 2021 18:39:12
Yes, we don't need a green space and posh flats in the middle of the city. We already have that stuff. No more elitist nonsense. Give the people something.


 

 

Click To View This Thread

18 Jul 2021 17:04:26
I agree with the clown comments. The City Council is useless!