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24 Apr 2025 10:35:01
Awsworth is looking a bit grey this morning. Had a brew with relatives and then IKEA hate that place 🤡🤡🤡.

20 Apr 2025 20:21:09
Well that's me against "Trans lives matter" after defacing Brian Clough's statue.

20 Apr 2025 20:53:12
Lawless and mentally ill. What has it to do with Cloughie's statue? 😡😡😡.

21 Apr 2025 08:04:54
What about, 'statues lives matter'?

21 Apr 2025 14:41:37
It's not the Brian statue in Nottingham, made a point of having a look, definitely not this one!.

21 Apr 2025 19:47:15
Mossy, it's been cleaned off by council staff, apparently it was only pink chalk but trans lives matter can still do one as far as I'm concerned.

21 Apr 2025 20:53:58
Bordeaux expected to see damage to statue, great it was easy to clean, no comment in local press though🤔.

22 Apr 2025 09:22:53
I saw it first on face ache then looked for it again and it had been withdrawn. I was raging when I saw it - looked like pink spray paint. Anyway, the clean up is well shown on the face ache site Mossy.

22 Apr 2025 13:05:07
So any other statue, just may be acceptable. Do you support the taking down of damaged statues of slave traders, or damage to them.

22 Apr 2025 14:01:27
Nottinghamshire live can do articals about best take aways or the four best sandwiches but no mention about this!. Just surprised me.

14 Apr 2025 00:18:15
Well there is Sports personality of the year settled.
Grand Slam!

What an achievement!

14 Apr 2025 07:51:01
Ronnie O'Sullivan if he wins the record 8th World Snooker Championship.

14 Apr 2025 12:18:06
Different era fellows, today Mary Earps will win it for being stoic, in being dropped as first choice England goalkeeper 🤦.

14 Apr 2025 18:36:56
I was going to put a bet on the Masters but it’s quite a walk to our nearest bookies. I decided it’s a long way to tip a Rory …………. 😔😔
I’ll get me coat ….

14 Apr 2025 21:08:44
Well, I enjoyed it Stokey!

14 Apr 2025 21:33:51
I thang yow’! I’m here all week……👍😁.

12 Apr 2025 20:32:49
It's only a football match. I work with the Grandad of the poor little girl who lost her life along with her dad in the Ingoldmells caravan fire last week. he's gone there today to see the flowers and tributes. puts it all in perspective. God bless them all😢😢.

12 Apr 2025 21:38:51
It does Retty.

13 Apr 2025 17:51:23
Unbelievable retty, as said God bless sir.

13 Apr 2025 21:47:17
I read the story about the incident on BBC news Retty and it was heart-wrenching. Awful.

11 Apr 2025 18:07:22
Caught two lovely Whiting this morning, beautiful out there kayaking. 🐟🐟🌳.

11 Apr 2025 18:20:24
Brilliant winter, love my salt water fishing.

11 Apr 2025 18:32:43
Ive never actually been fresh water fishing, looks like to much faffing around and i like to eat what i catch. 🌳.

11 Apr 2025 20:15:32
Again couldn't agree more 👍.

11 Apr 2025 21:35:29
Ahh, obviously fishing over sand then Winter. I've only ever caught Whiting from a boat - never from the shore. Good eating though as a member of the Cod family. I've never been fresh water fishing either.

11 Apr 2025 23:11:48
Brilliant eating lego along with coley etc, too many of this country stuck in there ways, haddock, cod etc. Whiting as ya mentioned lovely.

11 Apr 2025 23:15:54
Love Paul and bobs series btw. More the surroundings and there patter though. Just frustrating to me throwing a fish back. Sorry stokey, it didn't jump any fences 🤣.

11 Apr 2025 23:16:44
Yeah unfortunately there's sand everywhere around here, have to hit the shipping lanes to find a decent bottom and i don't fancy that in a kayak, been trying to avoid the mouth of the tees direction like the plague. Have you seen the Simpsons episode with the fish with six eyes?
Was catching decent amounts of Mackerel last summer, in my opinion the best tasting British fish by a mile. 🌳.

11 Apr 2025 23:18:37
Ah and monk of course but no hope in a kayak. Used to catch hundreds of them whilst cuttle fishing in Cornwall, cut out and keep the cheeks, amazing pan fried. 🤤🤤🌳.

11 Apr 2025 23:48:22
You sure about that winter? 😂

Be careful what you catch then 😂😂.

12 Apr 2025 05:51:37
When Trump was going tariff mad, he issued one for the Falklands for tooth fish?, had to Google straight away, ugly as sin but an expensive and sought after fish in posh restaurants.

12 Apr 2025 07:56:31
He put tariffs on those pesky penguins that have been ripping of America, as well. That'll teach em. 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

12 Apr 2025 11:44:55
Mossy, i had to google the toothfish, when you mentioned it i was thinking wolffish, but I'd say Cod family. So probably tastes much the same, maybe haddocky🤔🌳.

12 Apr 2025 12:27:56
It is supposed to taste like cod, I wonder if any is sent here, British people are resonate in not trying new fish like they do in the rest of Europe. Marketing is needed "Tooth and Chips", might work.

12 Apr 2025 13:24:20
When i was skint i used to go spearfishing and would literally eat anything, wrasse fishcakes are better than they look 🤣🌳.

12 Apr 2025 22:32:44
Wrasse fishcakes? You must have been starving! Almost as bad to eat as 'mouldy bones' harbour mullet.

You were wasting your time spearfishing for wrasse as I'm sure you know though Winter. Easy to catch one every 5 minutes fishing from the shore in SE Cornwall just using limpet as bait.

Shame to waste the lovely Whiting as a fishcake. You should simply gut, head and tail and fry whole. Delicious. You also mention the underrated king of all fishes to eat - the humble mackerel. Quite fiddly - but if you can catch a large one fillet it and quickly fry for just 2-3 minutes (skin down to start). Sounds weird, but mackerel is superb served with beetroot.

13 Apr 2025 10:39:41
Wrasse is considered a delicately in Brittany, mind you so are snails 🤮.
Fishcakes were amazing, had some brown crab meat in the freezer and cold water prawns, served with roasted skin on new potatoes and crunchy greens with a little hint of garlic butter (birdseye steam bags🤣). 🌳.

13 Apr 2025 10:41:41
Mouldy mullet 🤣, the sewage sharks🤣 🌳.

13 Apr 2025 10:57:18
And little spuds with butter Lego. 😋.

09 Apr 2025 19:23:43
I've been reading numerous posts on both Discussion and Banter involving Stokey over the last couple of days. Personally, I don't care if he's a meat/ fish eater or not. So what? The guy is far better educated, articulate and worldly-wise than most of us on here put together.

Whilst I may have a little snooze during some of Stokey's posts (! ) I do love them. On meeting the gent at the TBI, and despite his goaty-beard, I took to him straight away. He's a lovely, funny, interesting man.

I'm the same as Winter - I hate people ganging up on an individual. There's a very fine line between heated debate and being disrespectful. That line, I feel, has been crossed in some posters' comments to Stokey recently.

As Skegs has said to me recently - he's going to think harder before he posts. Maybe we should all adopt that attitude. Just a thought.

09 Apr 2025 20:59:18
Lego and that's exactly why I won't do any more meet ups
You've come to the defence because you've met him
All I'm telling stokey is he's wrong with his facts and figures about horse racing.

09 Apr 2025 21:02:27
Legolas what are you talking about? Nobody ganged up on stokey, I just disagreed, , if you think he’s more educated than you mate that’s your problem, a few quotes from books don’t intimidate me personally, adds nothing to the debate, he’s not crying about what was said, why should you be? We either debate like men or we revert to one of those woks sites where no one dare criticise anything, or disagree about anything, I’m surprised given your service background you’re so squeamish about a bit of boisterous debate, I’m sure stokey had worse said to him in his line of work, and I know I did “ over the water’ back in the day, it’s water off a ducks back to me mate, probably the same for him.

09 Apr 2025 22:32:07
Stevie - we both took the Queens Shilling and made the Oath of Allegiance. We served this country in places we didn't want to be. Myself, it was both NI and Bosnia (during the worst times in the latter). Me - squeamish?! I'm sure you'd agree that what helped us survive those crap times was the loyalty and support we had from the guys around us.

Personally, I've taken those traits directly into civilian life. I feel no embarrassment for sticking up for my friend. How dare you suggest that I should do otherwise?

Maybe you should consider that Stokey hasn't responded to your/ DTP's posts because he's above your bear-baiting. Personally, I don't give a crap about either horse racing or vegetarianism. Unacceptable and ridiculous in debate to call someone like Stokey 'clueless' though.

09 Apr 2025 22:46:11
DTP - you continually contradict yourself. So, it's OK for you and Stevie to have a cosy pint together but it's not OK for Carlo, McGovern, Stokey and myself to meet up for a pint together and a chinwag?

09 Apr 2025 23:20:11
I told you to enjoy it lego and gave my reason not to go
Where have I said its not OK for you to meet who you like?
Think you've got that all wrong lego.

09 Apr 2025 23:45:15
I can't be bothered to troll through past posts DTP, but you did say that in meeting-up it led to 'cliques' which you disapproved of.

All I'm saying is that surely you and Stevie have developed your own 'clique' in meeting up? As such, despite you contradicting your own logic - should others not be allowed to do the same?

10 Apr 2025 07:55:13
Exactly you've just proved my point that it does create cliques and I don't disapprove, I actually said imo the site was better before the meet ups and a lot more posted.

10 Apr 2025 09:21:13
Never met any of you to my knowledge and being brutally honest i don't think I'd want to because:
A. i'm at an age where most of you would be the equivalent of my grandparents.
B. When i go to games I'm usually with a few family members and our close friends.
C. There's a few here I'd definitely like to give a old slap.

Anyway onwards and upwards, beautiful day outside, get some vitamin D my fellow red. COYR 🌳.

10 Apr 2025 09:43:51
*good old slap, haha don't walk and write🫣🌳.

10 Apr 2025 09:50:06
And for those who don't like my comment I'll leave it to lego to explain seeing as he now lives in my home county, the land of sun, sea and pasties, Kernow.
7 generations on my mums side and 5 of those generations were fisherman, we're built and wired differently to most mere mortals as i'm guessing lego you know as you've probably come across a few in the local harbour pubs. 🌳.

10 Apr 2025 10:11:12
You get a custodial sentence for slapping a police officer, but you could use a special branch to do it.

10 Apr 2025 10:29:14
Ps good luck with your rewire 😁😂😂🍻.

10 Apr 2025 12:42:48
Yma dhis ow kelwel yn noweth🌳.

10 Apr 2025 13:22:14
There certainly is and I'm living it to the full 🍻🍻.

10 Apr 2025 14:13:38
Before I contemplate my first G and T of this wonderful sunny day I thought I’d get my ripostes in to the various posters using my name in vain……😂😁
Legolas, many thanks for your kind words. Also for your comments are the qualities of horses. I recently saw “ Warhorse” at the Regent Theatre in Stoke. Wonderful show which revolves around the innate nobility and sensitivity of these creatures. I’ve always much preferred Houyhnhnms to Yahoos……

Stevie, my friend, rest assured that you have caused me no offence and I always enjoy our robust and passionate debates. We’ll probably have to agree to disagree on this subject. One day, I’d like to sit down with you face to face, over a pint, talk about it then decide I was right 😂😂😂😁. As you wisely remarked 30 years in front line policing have taught me that sometimes you have to “take the crunchy with the smooth “…. ( Billy Braggs words not mine)

DTP, the stats I have referred to are in the public domain. However the British Horseracing Authority are notoriously opaque on horse deaths, understandably because it’s an ongoing atrocity and PR disaster which can and does lead to unwelcome attention from the press and animal welfare organisations. The best website imo for facts and figures, regularly updated, is the Animal Aid Racehorse Death Watch though its articles do include some truly horrific photos.
As for your stats question, you state that 86, OOO horses run in a season. As the BHA register of Horses in Training only contain around 14, 000 horses in the UK this is unlikely. It most likely to refer to 86000 “rides “ with the same horse running in, say, half a dozen races. Only a portion of the 14000 would be available to actually run a race, the rest ( I’m guessing in my clueless way, you’re the expert) would be in training, in reserve, injured or disposed off as, shall we say, “surplus to requirements “ as they will never make the grade.
It’s a bit like a professional football squad except that when footballers break a leg they aren't executed behind a curtain by a vet.
The figure of 1 in 35 ( or 27 in the case of jump races) was published in several newspapers after the Grand National, including the Mirror, the Guardian, the Tekegraph and the Mail. It’s feasible when related to the actual horses in that 14, 000 strong “squad” minus abstractions as above when divided by around 200 dead ( 214 in 2024).
I’d be interested to know your methodology. Perhaps I’m not the only one weak at maths?

10 Apr 2025 15:26:42
Stokey your twisting the facts and your maths still don't add up 😂
Of 14000 in training they took part in 86000 odd races, so the mortality rate on British racecourses isn't anywhere near as high as you are trying to make out
Just trying to justify yourself
Say hello to Mr and Mrs bouquet Next door over your gin and tonic 😂😂🤣.

10 Apr 2025 15:35:42
To be fair gents when i couldn't sleep last night i had a read on multiple different sites, all their stats are completely different.
The DeathWatchOne site has a PDF which makes for interesting reading. 🌳.

10 Apr 2025 15:37:41
So in other words your probably all right depending on where your getting your stats from🌳.

10 Apr 2025 15:56:15
Yes winter it depends what side of the fence they are on and their agendas.

10 Apr 2025 17:10:48
Tell ya any horse that didn't win in my old day's, I'd always want the jockey shot 1st. Stick a tent around ya, I used to shout at them heading to enclosure. But again I averaged 3 x grand on each horse in them day's. Bye how I'm glad them day's are over.

10 Apr 2025 19:24:49
Winter - I wonder where in Cornwall you/ your family originated from?

As 'an outsider' originating from Gloucestershire I married into the Pengelly clan of SE Cornwall - mostly based around Looe. Her ancestors were all fishermen or farmers.

Being a pure-blooded Celt, the future Mrs Legolas could barely speak English and was unnaturally hairy when I first met her. Her pure Celtic genes were, however, crying out to be supplemented by some Anglo-Saxon nourishment. So, I shaved her down, taught her how to speak English and even trained her how to use a toilet correctly.

Now, after 33 years of marriage we have 2 adult 'kids' and 3 grandkids. I've found that if a normal person puts some effort into a relationship with a native Cornish person, whilst hard work, it can have its benefits.

10 Apr 2025 20:13:34
In and around the deepest darkest parts🤣. Haha.

Nah seriously around the lizard mate, i spent my early years living in Porthleven, fished out of Newlyn for a few years after doing a little stint in the Navy.

Then went walk about, lived all over the place from the Scottish boarders to North Wales. Then eventually moved back in my early 30s and slowly got priced out of Cornwall by bloody holiday homes, the Mrs inherited a house up ere (bless her, Hartlepool born and bred, met her while she was on her hols in Newquay), so we moved up a few years back, to be fair its alright up here, kinda reminds me of Cornwall with all the people and people that frankly speak a different language according to my ears🤣, not much different from Redruth 🤣

Oh and the family name Pendouglas (Pen meaning head, fook knows who Douglas is🤣) 🌳.

10 Apr 2025 20:16:01
And Lego i was pi**ing myself reading your description of your Mrs, i thought you were describing my old primary school teacher 🤣🌳.

10 Apr 2025 20:56:38
Love The Lizard mate. Having little money at the time, we used to take the kids camping down there for many summers.

A true story which may make you smile Winter. I can't remember where we were camping down in the Lizard but it must have been about 20 years ago. My boy was then into WWF wrestling so we would wrestle outside our tent in the evenings after getting back from the beach.

I ended up grabbing my son by the ankles and swinging him around in the air. It was then the couple in the luxury tent next to us introduced themselves as both working in 'child protection'. I shat myself, dropping my son onto the ground like a hot potato.

They then went onto say that all the laughter and love they had been hearing from us had restored their faith in people after all the misery they had to experience in their day jobs.

I must admit, I breathed a large sigh of relief!

10 Apr 2025 21:14:20
So to cut things short winter you got on a boat in Cornwall and got lost like del boy and ended up in hartlepool after a few years? 😁😁🍻🤣.

10 Apr 2025 22:06:02
DTP - I was amazed to discover when I moved to Cornwall that Cornish people are actually allowed by the DVLA to own their own cars. Despite their 6-7 toes on each foot unwittingly pressing on the wrong pedal and their unnaturally hairy fingers interfering with their hand controls - they are actually deemed safe to drive.

I'm sure it would be a Cornish record of long-distance travel if Winter drove a car from The Lizard to Hartlepool without causing numerous accidents on the way.

10 Apr 2025 22:38:00
Oh dear
Told you.

11 Apr 2025 00:30:10
Oi feckers, its east Cornwall with extra digits, down west we have webbing 🖕🤣🌳.

11 Apr 2025 01:16:50
And those extra digits come from breeding with those bleedy Janners from over the river🤣🌳.

11 Apr 2025 08:34:49
Kiddies, please.

11 Apr 2025 10:23:00
Come on auntie Bri, better than us tearing holes in each other over trivial subjects🌳.

07 Apr 2025 08:07:10
Just been reading about some disgraceful events taking place over 4 days near Liverpool where horses were made to run, terrified, over man made obstacles at long distance in front of a baying crowd. One horse died, 2 were badly injured and one collapsed in exhaustion. All the while being beaten by men with whips.
The Police and the RSPCA were present but did nothing to stop it, despite flagrant breaches of numerous Animal cruelty laws.
It was apparently a regular event called " The Grand National". 😔😔😡😡.

07 Apr 2025 10:28:54
Im glad i'm not the only one who feels that way about it. 🌳.

07 Apr 2025 11:27:51
Can't find anything exciting about horse racing, boxing and women's footie sorry 🤡🐴🤡🥊🤡.

07 Apr 2025 13:40:34
It's something that should have been stopped years ago, but the vast amount of money that's made from it, can't see it happening.
Not sure weather the visitors to our country have anything to do with this, but hare coursing, dog fighting and cock fighting are all on the rise in rural areas. Something what was around but not on this scale.

07 Apr 2025 19:19:25
Visitors🤣 very diplomatic of you mossy👍🌳.

07 Apr 2025 20:09:24
One day, if the human race undeservedly lasts long enough, our descendants will view horse racing in the same way at bear baiting in the Middle Ages or the killing of exotic wild animals in Roman amphitheaters by gladiators. Unfortunately, vested interests and betting overrides barbarism and cruelty for the foreseeable future.
I’m pleased to report that bullfighting in France, Spain and its colonies such as Columbia, Mexico and Peru is on a rapid decline, particularly amongst the younger generation.
I went on a guided tour of Seville’s bullfighting ring a few years back ( not on a bull killing day, my stomach wouldn’t stand it) to try and get a handle on Ernest Hemingways novel “ Death in the Afternoon” which I’d just read. The great man extols its virtues calling it “ a work of art unique in the fact that the artist stands a chance of getting killed”. Well, not much chance really, the odds are very very heavily stacked against the bull.
The cultural side was described in semi mystical tosh and gobbledegook. It’s worth a visit to see the beautiful 12 thousand seater arena with its bright golden yellow sand and the museum of swords, equipment and “ legendary “ matadors outfits. Also for the description of the “purification” rituals before the slaughter in the remote chance of the matador copping it. But really, it’s a cover for the horrific slaughter of animals for entertainment. I was appalled and said so to the guide. I’m normally very tolerant of other cultures, particularly when I’m in foreign parts. I did cause some consternation amongst our mainly American tourist group by expressing my pleasure that this custom was on its last legs, hopefully.
I look forward to the day when horse racing goes the same way as hunting with dogs.

07 Apr 2025 21:21:45
Brilliantly put Stokey, looking more and more likely that whaling will be part of mans barbaric history also. 🌳.

07 Apr 2025 21:26:01
Could do with the Asian fish markets stopping shark fins being sold, that's one thing that clucks me off, such a destructive industry. 🌳.

07 Apr 2025 21:50:08
Do you eat meat stokey?

07 Apr 2025 22:01:20
Stokey I suppose it’s ok to use them as battering rams and shields, and deliberately put them in harms way of a baying crowd, whilst being pelted with bricks bottles and fireworks for the sake of your old colleagues in the constabulary then, ? Oh and deliberately terrify them training hours on end to train them up for their thankless task,

07 Apr 2025 22:54:15
Jester I'm with you on the last two.

08 Apr 2025 00:03:23
Stevie i almost admire they way you can drag any conversation into the gutter🤣.
Bet your a joy to be around 🤣
🌳🌳🌳🌳.

08 Apr 2025 04:46:00
Winter think you need to explain how I’ve dragged the conversation into the gutter by stating a fact that the police deliberately put horses in harms way, , and then get personal, not that I give a toss, if you can’t see stokeys hypocrisy that’s not my problem.

08 Apr 2025 07:29:28
Stevie is very good to be around winter I often have a pint with him
Don't assume you know someone from comments on a social media site.

08 Apr 2025 10:12:44
Renfield and Penfold strike again. 🌳.

08 Apr 2025 10:20:53
Wintertree yawn nothing to add to the debate? Why say anything?

08 Apr 2025 10:38:57
A healthy male adult bore consumes each year one-and-a-half times his own weight in other people's patience. 🌳.

08 Apr 2025 10:47:56
DTP my wife and I don't eat meat except in extremely rare circumstances. For example, once on a tour in Croatia where our restaurant in a rural area only served meat dishes. Likewise in Sicily. I’m wracking my brains to think of any other examples in the past 10 years at least.
Stevie, you are entirely wrong about Police horses on several counts….
They are not put in harms way to make money or for the baying crowds entertainment but for public safety.
They are not used as battering rams or shields. Police are trained to stand in front of them not hide behind them. Also they may nudge a crowd gently into line but never ever to charge at the gallop into a group as any deaths would be regarded as murder or manslaughter, like driving a lorry into a crowd.
The horses are well protected, eye shields and lightweight armour. Check it out next time you see one mate
I don’t think we’ve ever had a Police Horse killed in the line of duty or even seriously injured. Unlike the untold hundreds in racing. I’ve only known occasional injuries such as being struck by thrown objects. That’s surely the fault of shitty humans acting cruelly and unlawfully?
Lastly, they are not subjected to hours of cruel training where they are terrified as you seem to think. They are exposed to noise, both shouting and loud bangs, for example. Like humans, if they don’t have the temperament to cope and are frightened and panic they are deemed unsuitable for Police work and moved on.
There’s a world of difference my friend. …….

08 Apr 2025 11:16:27
Do you eat fish?
Just asking.

08 Apr 2025 11:23:47
Thing is a lot of jockeys get serious injuries or are paralysed for life, that's the risk
Horses that unseat a rider more often than not carry on jumping the fences aswell which they wouldn't do if they didn't enjoy it.

08 Apr 2025 11:30:41
Stokey not in my eyes, seem to remember them being used as battering rams in the miners strikes, having bricks and bottles thrown at them. You clearly know nothing about the horse racing industry, firstly if it wasn’t for racing they wouldn’t have a life at all, let alone 10’12 years kept in prime fitness, with the best feeds, in conditions better than some humans habitate, the other thing if half a ton of horse doesn’t want to move, let alone run, no man can make it, and whipping as you put it would only make the situation worse, far more horses die neglected in fields around the country, under fed in disgusting conditions, than in the racing industry, of course there are fatalities, and these are to be regretted, I’m an animal lover myself, and hate to see it, but overall the racing industry is good for horses in general, and finally if yo think racehorse owners make ‘ big money’ ‘ you are deluded, try buying an inexpensive one yourself and pay for it to be kept in training, vets bills etc etc, 90% of horses in training never win a race, they are a money pit, thousands of jobs also depend on the thoroughbred industry, and I’m not talking about bookmakers, but you are clearly clueless as to the overall picture,

08 Apr 2025 13:45:08
As an ex miner, during the strike police horses were definitely used to attack the lines. Check out footage of Oargreave.

08 Apr 2025 13:58:02
Miners strikes were 50 odd years ago, what does that have to do with the Grand national? Absolutely nothing, its sunny today Stevie, vitamin D is good for ya☀️🌳.

08 Apr 2025 14:10:45
You could say that about half the human race's diet Stevie if we didn't eat it it wouldn't exist and before you ask I eat mainly chicken and fish with plenty of veg which if we didn't grow it well you know the rest 🤡🤡🤡.

08 Apr 2025 14:10:54
Winter just fact checking stokey saying horses weren’t used as weapons, see mv’s post, think a gag would probably be good for you, you seem to have very little to contribute other than be an irritant.

08 Apr 2025 14:56:49
Keep that wooden spoon as you need more practice trying to stir things winter tree 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

08 Apr 2025 15:39:54
Red jester what are you telling me that for? I never mentioned diets🤡🤡🤡.

08 Apr 2025 15:53:20
And adding to the Grand national subject, another horse today was put down and jockey.

08 Apr 2025 15:53:48
**jockey banned hmmmm🤔🌳.

08 Apr 2025 16:52:02
Winter what do you think these hundreds of horses would be doing if not in training for racing?, they wouldn’t exist, they’d never have been born, the overwhelming majority live full lives, well fed centrally heated stable blocks, excercised and fit, , vet on hand in the stable to tend to every ailment, horses around the country dumped in fields and ridden out for an hour every Sunday should be so lucky, you and stokey are completely clueless about the horse racing industry, just come up with simplistic judgments,. As for stokeys argument that it’s different using them for the police because of public order? Do the horses and dogs give their permission to be put in danger? Do they sign up in the recruiting office for the good of the community? It’s a load of bollocks,

08 Apr 2025 17:04:12
Who's Mam, it was usually your Mam, when driving along going to Skegness, pointed out the window and shouted "Look, look, Bobbos". That was more than fifty years ago, but brought a smile to my face thinking about it today🙂.

08 Apr 2025 17:23:44
Really Renfield, clueless? Before spouting your agenda, remember you don't know me and what i do for a living. 🌳
Anyway Renfield, hows the creepy crawlie collection going? Are your hors d'oeuvre and canapés ready yet? 🌳🌳🌳.

08 Apr 2025 17:59:02
And as a side note i only kept being annoying because Renfield and Penfold were attacking Stokey for no apparent reason other than what i'm guessing is a distinct resentment towards the police and their practices. (i hate bullies)
Stokey makes a great point and always converses absolutely brilliantly on here.
So Renfield and Penfold please do us all a favour and get a room. 😘🌳.

08 Apr 2025 18:31:50
I'm with stevie f all the way. I'm against dicks thumb upping because they can.

08 Apr 2025 18:40:46
MV you are wrong mate, with respect. I wasn’t at Orgreave but I did participate in several smaller “battles” where Police horses were deployed and I trained with horses at least twice a year at RAF Bewton near Bingham for 25 years.
Horses are not used to attack people including during the miners strike. As I said before, a charge at a group of people by even half a dozen animals each weighing half a ton resulting in deaths or serious injuries would result in criminal prosecutions, the same as if you drove a truck into a crowd. Excessive force, in short, murder, manslaughter, GBH with intent, all carries life imprisonment.
We were trained to stand in a line then a Sgt would grab a selected man as the horses cantered behind us then pull him backwards and inwards at 2 points in the line to create a gap through which the horses passed. Then shoved back into place quickly. It’s a bit unnerving, I can tell you, to hear the thunder of hooves coming up behind you and not being allowed to move until the last second.
It looked text book stuff from the Orgreave footage. The horses pushed through and the miners panicked and legged it. Understandably, because if you are not trained and disciplined they are a frightening site. If the miners had stood still and linked arms, the horses would have been reined in or by passed them.
As it was, they ran and kept running. This removed the toe to toe pressure on Police lines which were invariably outnumbered. Classic tactics which worked and nobody was killed or seriously injured.

08 Apr 2025 18:45:14
Winter I didn’t “ attack “ stokey I disagreed with him, perhaps that’s too difficult for you too work out, I’m not particularly interested why you got involved really,

08 Apr 2025 18:46:49
DTP let’s break things down a bit, clueless though I am. An average of around 200 horses are killed every year on British racetracks excluding the Republic of Ireland. That’s without those killed in training or those deemed surplus to requirements.
The horse Celebe D’Allen who collapsed at the Grand National has died today. He was the 67th horse to die at the Grand National since 2000. Micheal Nolan, the jockey who rode him to death received a 10 day ban.

08 Apr 2025 19:21:24
Stokey yes you are clueless, research on Google doesn’t suddenly make you an expert, the plain fact is not one horse involved in racing, would ever have seen the light of day and had any sort of life without racing, , I won’t condone any jockey that abuses a horse as far as I’m concerned he should be banned for life and prosecuted for animal cruelty, I’d be interested to know your views on Halal meat, are you prepared to condemn that, ?

08 Apr 2025 19:57:40
Funnily enough stevie, I had morrisons corned beef hash today, all potato, only aye a 3rd all blessed by the yank.

08 Apr 2025 20:11:55
'You can take a horse to water but you can't force it to drink'. Racehorses love to race it's what they are bred to do. Get over it. We send our armed forces into wars that most of them don't agree with even though they are bred to do it.

08 Apr 2025 20:27:21
Stokey veggies don't understand
If you eat fish then what's the point in being a veggie I say.

08 Apr 2025 20:51:58
Everyone likes a cup of tea or coffee but don't complain about the cows being penned while having the milk removed with pumps
Some people analyse things far to much.
If a tiger or lion is hungry in the jungle he kills something to eat same with birds of prey
Total nonsense being a veggie just because you think it's inhumane.

08 Apr 2025 21:12:20
There is nothing wrong with Halal meat, Stevie. It tastes the same as any other meat.

08 Apr 2025 21:53:36
Sir Brian no offence but it was stokey I wanted to answer, he seems on the case of animal cruelty, just wondering how consistent he is,

08 Apr 2025 21:56:26
Meat is meat
I don't need it praying on though
I remember once my missus giving me shepherd's pie and I said "what's this? "
Just eat it
I couldn't it was fowl
Turns out it was corn equivalent
Horrible and tasteless and straight in the bin.

08 Apr 2025 21:59:08
I buy Halal stuff all the time from the cheap section of Asda/ Tescos. Can never find pork though 🤣🌳.

08 Apr 2025 22:36:37
Them poor donkey's on skegg beach I feel sorry for
Good job they have a thick coat.

08 Apr 2025 23:07:07
Ok, let’s break it down a bit more.
On any racing day, up and down the UK 1 in 35 horses taking part will not live to see another dawn.
Stevie, your argument that thousands of jobs depend on the horse racing industry is spurious. By your criteria, the Nazi death camps would still be running because thousands of jobs depended on the slave labour, terror and summary execution and working to death of people who, like animals, couldn’t consent. Incidentally the forerunners of modern German industries like Krupps, VW and their world beating chemical industries were built on atrocity. Likewise the big betting companies over here.
You mention the care with which horses are treated between races might be construed by the cynical ( or realistic perhaps) as a method used to give them the best chance of winning a race.
Can’t believe i'm hearing the old long disproved theory that horses run ( not in terror) but for the fun of it. A myth entirely without basis in fact.
As for the injuries sustained by jockeys, well nobody forces them to do it do they.? Unlike their mounts for example.
Racehorses are selectively bred for speed with excessive muscle mass. Unfortunately this has led to weakness in bones and joints that make them especially susceptible to breaks (and there death at the vets). Likewise, many have severe lung and heart defects.
Finally, you surely aren’t asking for my sympathy for the multi millionaire owners are you. As one of my gaffers used to ask “ tell me where you find sympathy listed in the Dictionary “.
The correct answer in this case is “ half way between sh’t and syphilis” …….

09 Apr 2025 00:06:23
Again Stokey absolute poetry in sticking one up em👌🌳.

09 Apr 2025 04:37:54
Why not agree to disagree and call it a "Photo finish"👍.

09 Apr 2025 06:17:41
Stokey mate, I feel your passion in your argument, but the figures are skewed bud. In 2023 official figures show 158 horses died from 87, 619 runners (0.18%)
So certainly not 1 in 35.
Not defending either side, but you can only have a genuine debate based on truth and facts.

09 Apr 2025 07:37:17
Your talking about flat horses stokey where the prize money can run into millions
They don't breed jumps horses for speed more for stamina.
The prize money, barring the big events tends to be nothing like as much also races even on the flat are over all sorts of distances, so your theory on the breeding is way off I'm afraid
There are also far more syndicate owners that make very little or nothing from being owners.

09 Apr 2025 09:55:10
Stokey another long winded pseudo intellectual post of which I guess we are supposed to be in awe, but it doesn’t alter the fact that all horses that race exist because they were bred as racehorses, they wouldn’t exist or have any life at all without racing, where do you think they come from? Straight off the farm and suddenly fine tuned equine athletes? As for asking for sympathy for “ multi millionaire owners ‘, you are again showing your blatant ignorance of the racing industry, most jump yards are small operations, and all your swatting up on Google doesn’t cover up your clear lack of grasp of horse racing, 3 and 4 miles chasers aren’t bred for speed, they are bred for stamina, jump racing and flat racing are two completely different disciplines, so yet again your Google facts are misused and I’ll throw the question back to you, do horses and dogs then volunteer for duty at the police recruitment to have bricks bottles and fireworks thrown at them? Do they have a choice to be deliberately terrified to see if they are up to the job, ? If a horse gets hit on the head by a brick or a dog stabbed doing a police officers bidding does he know he’s ‘ serving the community? And I noticed you dodged my question regarding the process to produce halal meats,

09 Apr 2025 10:51:13
My error Arizona mate. It’s 1 in 35 over the course of a season not a weekend. That’s just flat racing. It’s 1 in 27 over jumps.

09 Apr 2025 12:09:30
No it isn't stokey
Can you not read the true facts that arizona has put out, because they are the facts not yours.

09 Apr 2025 12:34:24
158 deaths like arizona is saying
But you are saying 2503 died by your calculations
Unreal.

09 Apr 2025 14:48:37
How do you guys feel on the reintroduction of native but currently extinct species like Wolfs, wild Boar and Lynx? Beavers being a successful example. 🌳.

09 Apr 2025 17:53:05
Hey DTP please have a look at my post at 1051 today. You perhaps need to correct your correction mate. The key amendment is that the figure is seasonal not per week……. 😂😂😂🤪🤪.

09 Apr 2025 19:58:19
Your saying one in thirty five horses dies in the course of a season
Well over 86000 horses ran in the season, there was only 158 deaths
Is maths not a strong subject for you 😂😂😂.