06 Mar 2015 12:10:18
The Forest accounts do not make pleasant reading and show what a shambles our player recruitment policy has been under the Poison Dwarf + Brollyman.
Thankfully SP took major steps to redress this shambles with his buying decisions and DF has a similar ethos.
Roll on the summer let's clear the decks of Christmas Past, stop funding half the League with our loan cast offs and get together a tight group of hungry up and coming pro's rather than Premier cast offs.
Onwards and upwards

1.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 12:43:19
Love the optimisom!
Hopefully we will be able to drop all the waste of spaces on big money.

2.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 13:06:06
Managers will spend whatever they're allowed to and they don't handle wages. The dire financial straits Forest are in are down to one man only and that's the man we currently owe nearly fifty million quid in loans (in which scenario, yeah: it's his spending, but it's the club that carries the cost). To appreciate the money FAH has poured into the club is to appreciate waste on a massive scale to the extent that the club are forbidden from spending anything that might actually benefit the team for the foreseeable future. FFP is about fairness but it's also about ensuring the financial viability of a football club and the authorities' judgment on our recent conduct says - quite simply - that this club is badly run.

3.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 13:32:05
All the eggs went into the promotion basket without any contingency plan for failure whatsoever. Managers & fans want "good" players & "good" players cost big money. Reality is, Fawaz, all managers, players & fans have all had a part to play in this, but you can't ignore the merits of a CEO & be as hands on as Fawaz without taking the rap. Time to buy into Dougies blueprint for sensible recruitment policies, give him a contract & let him get on with plotting a successful route forward using heart, desire & youth . How ironic now is the abuse Nigel Doughty took for what was perceived as lack of foresight, when in fact it was sensible business practice. Lessons to learned all round me thinks.

4.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 13:38:45
As a sidenote: I have to question the validity of the notion SP has redressed our financial woes. How can, at a time when our financial position was precarious to say the least, the acquisition of Antonio, Mancienne, Hobbs, Veldwyck, Tesche etc (on not inconsiderable wages according to fawaz) do anything but compound our situation? We are no nearer to the premier league now than when he started.

5.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 13:40:30
Number 9, Fawaz is a business man who's family is wealthy, he's not a footballing man, he's 90% led as to who to buy and how much they're worth. Yes he enjoys football but don't we all? I'm sure if we'd been given a pot of money we'd all end up buying some right old donkeys.
Fawaz is partially to blame yes! But it's down to the managers to find the players, it's down to the managers to tell the chairman who he wants. As for wages, he's led there too by advisors.
But all he has done is try and bring success to this club.
He just pays the bills in the end of the day, well sometimes anyway.

6.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 13:47:28
Completely agree. Managers didn't have the final say and let's make one thing clear. If Fawaz does decide to move on then with the loans to the club he will leave an absolute financial shambles.
Interesting to see how the money he put in has been accounted for

7.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 15:13:56
Cjay, as much as I usually Read your posts and nod along, your constant stick towards SP is just as bad as the other poster that you give grief to for always defending him!!
You mention the signings he made but what about all the dross that SP got rid of in his tenure to lower the wage bill? Yes I'm sure some he bought in are on high wages but least there was an attempt at balancing on SP's behalf with the players he released or ensured got sent out on loan.

8.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 15:26:44
Hobbs was already a forest player when Pearce arrived so you can't blame him for that.lars won't be on that much.britt tesche manc and Antonio will be on decent money along with Lansbury.
Buy into dougie's recruitment system?wernt we linked with May mills who will be on very good wages and isn't that good!cant wait.

9.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 15:39:08
If managers have no say on the deals then why was Billy "Stellar" Whizz allowed to sign all the dross he scouted and saddled us with and still had the audacity not to accept responsibility?
Yes it's the Chairman's money to blow but this club under Doughty & Fawaz has never stuck to man with a plan!
SP'signings by comparison have been sound and also include (Britt not Hobbs) Laing Reira as his recruits, provide a sound base going forward and all will show a profit if traded or are on easy out terms.
DL has a golden opportunity to wheel and deal in the summer to get the right balance between experience and youth.

10.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 15:55:50
keeno. As a club we must have been aware of what was coming with the 2013/2014 Accounts right. The fact we have added to the problem with high earners with nothing to show for it has to be up for debate. Wages are the big problem here, not token amounts for bit part players. SP was in with Fawaz when they rolled the dice. So the inference he has improved the situation is nonsense. Furthermore the inference they are sound investments is nonsense as we have nothing to show in the league & as yet nothing on the table to recoup.

11.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 17:21:07
which Manager is really responsible for signing dross? more likely too many managers in a short space of time all wanting their own ways.

Key Signings

Davies: Anderson, Blackstock, Gunter, McGoldrick, Radi, Adebola, Camp, Tudgay, Findlay, McKenna, Lynch, Ramsey, Konchesky, Boyd, Bertrand & Shorey (loan)

McLaren: Derbyshire, Miller, Greening, Andy Reid, Boeteng

Cotteril: Higgingbotham, Hill, Guiedeora, Cunnigham, Halford

O Driscoll: Guiedeora, Collins, Harding, Lansbury, Henderson, McLaughlin, Gillet

Davies / Brazil: Mackie, Wilson, Lichaj, Jara, Paterson De vires, Abdoun, Hobbs, Djebbour, Gomis, Vaughan, Fox, Peltier, Chalobah (Loan)

Pearce: Tesche, Assombalonga, Kane (loan), Riera, Laing, Veldwijk, Antonio, Burke, Gardner, Fryatt.

I may have missed one here and there as done from memory. McLaren signings were dreadful and it also came to roost that BD was man a silk purse from a Sow's ear.

what this says is all our recent managers have blood their hands to a degree. it also shows how we've had an idiotic approach towards living within our means and that the ethos of the club and us as fans is one of damaging over expectancy, let's be honest we'd all be up in arms without n active summer.

The most damaging tenure sadly has been SP, he has been backed heavily and his team has genuinely under achieved compared to others when compared with the backing other managers have had.

the facts don't lie, we should be in the top six right now.

12.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 17:30:54
In all fairness you express your point with such vigour but u have absolutely no idea what the financial position was under SP's tenure (likewise me) and whether he positively impacted in the wages etc.feel free to come back and validate come next year though if you are right and feel the need to though.

13.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 19:30:38
A lot of people are forgetting that we have let a lot of players go for nothing over recent years when we paid millions for them and this has had a knock on effect and needs to be addressed.

14.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 19:46:58
1st pearce only spent money on transfers from money raised from lescelles Darlow and cox sales. He brought in better players some were freebies and covered their wages with getting rid of overpaid players and and all other crap that left in summer. Then he loaned a few more out to get them off payroll.
2nd fawas as sacked bout 5 managers and staff ect plus spent millions on Algerians. This is what as caused most of our embargo.
So cjay u wrong again blaming pearce fawas was telling pearce to spend even before Darlow lescelas deal.
Pearce was actually trying to stabilise the finance.
Managers before pearce spent horribly on crap.
So it's their fault and more so fawas. Like I've said before if fawas doesn't sort a good sponcership out for at least 1 a season were doomed. We will have to sell our best players.

15.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 20:34:08
Marco123
SP was not responsible for signing Asombolonga and Antonio
They were both Fawaz signings .
If he was such a good business man He would not of bought them He would hae put the Newcastle money back in the bank so we wouldn'tbe as much in debt now

16.) 06 Mar 2015
06 Mar 2015 20:44:40
Marco,

I'm a Pearce fan man and boy, whilst he will be a legend for ever we can't defend his record in the end.

Whether the players were good investments is irrelevant unless we now sell them and make a profit.

For the investment made the return isn't good enough no where near.

Nevertheless we all shared the dream and would have been vocal had FAH not have backed SP. Infact prior to assombalonga and Antonio being signed I remeber very well the negativity that was starting to circulate on this page after the sales of darlow and lascelles. Us the chairman our managers the whole club must start lowering our expectations.