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13 Jun 2018 23:11:54
Outgoings absolutely inevitable to fund the incomings.
Osborn, Worrall, clough, Walker grant, McKay, vellios, Cummings will all be sacrificed - maybe more.

I think we will keep Brereton and Yates


1.) 14 Jun 2018 07:22:12
All be sacrificed?? 😂 I don’t generally like to knock players but that’s no great loss??? I would like to have seen more of Clough though

2.) 14 Jun 2018 08:11:57
Keep Worrall to learn from Dawson and AK,sell the rest imo

3.) 14 Jun 2018 08:50:59
Want to see more of Cummings and why get rid of Grant? He was brilliant at Notts and hasn't had a chance yet!

4.) 14 Jun 2018 09:52:03
I would like to keep Osborn and Worrall as well as Brereton and Yates. The others can go as soon as!!

5.) 14 Jun 2018 12:37:26
Worrall is a must keep!

Everything a C half should be and a future England captain. No brainer because he can step in at any point and do a very solid job.He always puts his body on the line and fights for the team.

How many of our young homegrown players can you say that about?

Osbourne, Worrall, cash and that's about it currently.

Certainly not BB! If we got a 10 million offer for BB I'd take it in a heartbeat. Don't think there is much chance of that happening after squandering his chances last season and learning the art of playing at swan lake.

I'd try to hang on to those three and strip the rest to bare bones to pay for the incoming new first team.

Be ruthless and get rid of the young players who have been out on loan perhaps with the exception of Walker who looks lively and has great ties to the club.
Grant not good enough! Would think about keeping Yates if he shows massive progress in pre season.
This season is about getting to the Prem and we need to go all out with all resources or we will fail!

We know who the good players are!

Smith (back up)

Watson (just about)

Guediora if he can recapture his form because let's not forget he'd been out for about 2 years prior to rejoining.
Looked nothing like the player of old but I think he deserves a chance because of his passion and physicality. He knows how to control a game late on.

And that's about it apart from a few squad players.

That's 11 players so we need another 11 to be top three material.

We need two strikers!
Two wingers
A left back
Two centre midfield
A first choice goalkeeper

As far as I'm concerned the rest of the players can leave or be prepared to fight for a chance on the bench.

Sell Mance, Murphy, Darikwa, Mckay, Brereton, Traore, Vellios, Clough, Cummings.

I make that about 18 million if you get 10M for Brereton.

Loan out or release Ward, Kapino, Evtimov, Henderson, Fuentes, Bouch, Lam, Ariyibi.
With the exception of Ward (who I really like) they have been proven not good enough.

6.) 14 Jun 2018 13:18:24
And before I get called out for saying Lichaj is good please remember that "good" does not mean skilful?

Good, to me, is a player who consistently performs to a high level everytime he is picked, no matter if they have been playing regularly or not.

If they are a good pro and fabulous ambassador then they should be cherished not shown the door.

Tomlin is a good player but I wouldn't sign him. Why? Because you just don't know what you're going to get. Level of performance should not depend on the mood he turns up in or how many pies got smashed in the pub with the lads.

All I know is that there is nothing wrong with the clubs money on wage day! Why should the players performance be any less consistent?

7.) 14 Jun 2018 13:45:05
Anything else you'd like to add no22😦

8.) 14 Jun 2018 14:14:43
Agree with that no 22 tomlin has got an attitude problem.
Plus a pie and chips one

9.) 14 Jun 2018 17:11:57
How do we know what any players attitude is like?

10.) 14 Jun 2018 17:12:30
Hope we don't sign any more players with an altitude problem😲

11.) 14 Jun 2018 18:57:22
His attitude is I'm great and don't need to work on fitness???
It shows if you watch.

12.) 14 Jun 2018 19:42:44
10 million for brereton?? Ha ha what, rupees?

13.) 14 Jun 2018 21:41:42
Karanka rates him so get used to watching him.

14.) 14 Jun 2018 23:04:02
Our best players were fat lads who had no issues with their fitness despite their build.As for attitude they all had a winning attitude which raised everyone else's game!



10 Mar 2018 18:42:29
Armand Traore injured, Tyler walker not in squad at Bolton, clough warning the bench at Bolton and Mills not in the Barnsley team . Two words to say to AK. well done!


1.) 10 Mar 2018 21:38:58
The amazing thing is that there are Forest fans who still rate them? But then they are still in the Warbo camp?
I still think Wing Nut will come good for the money we paid once we have a competitive team next season?
Agreed well done AK

2.) 10 Mar 2018 22:16:13
Ear Ear !

3.) 10 Mar 2018 22:26:24
I with you on that Red. Still think Clough is a good player but never given a run of games under Warbo especially in the Tomlin/Dowell role.Another player Warbo used to like playing out of position.

4.) 10 Mar 2018 22:33:04
By wing nut you mean ZC ?

5.) 10 Mar 2018 22:57:09
Big ears will look better alongside a big noddy?😉

6.) 11 Mar 2018 01:08:28
Agree on Clough like many players he was played out of position dropped after times he played well and lost confidence under MW. Last season he was quality when he came in and scored some important goals if he can get come back in summer to a confident squad with better and wiser players and a good captain like Watson to help guide him he can still come good as is still young and if Tomlin doesn’t join us once Dowell leaves he could get his chance to shine next season in the number 10 role.
Still think Walker may have a future if he can put some muscle on as looked ok in the odd games but every season he has failed to improve since he first stepped up to first team it looks more like his level may be league 1/2 but still think we could give him another few seasons to see before writing him off completely. Mills was well past it and Traoure was inconsistent and trouble. Glad they are gone. Hope AK shifts a few more (Hobbs, Vaughan, Bouchalakis, Ward and Traoure permanently and even maybe McKay and Manchienne) in summer.

7.) 11 Mar 2018 01:49:52
Murphy 79?

8.) 11 Mar 2018 08:51:16
Bouchalakis ! I forgot about him! Yes bye mancienne for me too.

9.) 11 Mar 2018 12:36:27
Tyler Walker is the best finisher we have and would even be a good option today in my opinion (better than Murphy on current form).

If we can get £2M back for Clough great. Clough is decent but we need players capable of staying with us and growing if we are promoted and I doubt he is that level.

10.) 11 Mar 2018 17:42:40
Shame we didn't have sometrhing extra in attack. Vellios is NOT the answer. Sorry but it is the truth



10 Jan 2018 20:33:58
Dowell staying.
Good news ?


1.) 10 Jan 2018 20:49:03
If true yeah, could do with the extra talent and firepower for the remainder of the season if possible

2.) 10 Jan 2018 20:51:55
I'd say so yes. The few posters that complained He's keeping Clough out of the team may disagree but Sunday proved they can both start even though Clough looked lost on the left.

3.) 10 Jan 2018 20:58:49
What's the question?

4.) 10 Jan 2018 21:05:27
Imo great news but if he's not performing Clough and Osbourne can do his role as attacking midfielder probably Cashy as well. That,in my book,is good competition and should the lad on his toes!

5.) 10 Jan 2018 21:05:45
My question is Gazza does everyone think this is good news ? I know some think KD has limited progression of clough etc.

6.) 10 Jan 2018 21:45:41
As long as he learns that his team mates tend to play in the same colour as he does and not the oppositions colours.

7.) 10 Jan 2018 21:59:21
Clough not good enough at the mo.
Not seen him have a good game since he’s been here. Was the star at Bolton but out of his depth at Forest.

8.) 11 Jan 2018 01:43:36
Clough did ok on Sunday on left but he hasn’t played enough so his touch was heavy, give him some more game time to sharpen up. I think him and Dowell behind a striker (Brereton being my choice though Murphy too) can work but can always push Osbourn up to left attack and bring Bridcutt in. Good news we have Dowell for rest of season as he has movement and vision others don’t, Cash, Oz and Bridcutt are all work horses and rely on energy but Dowell pulls defends, creates space and plays clever balls that split defence and we don’t really have others who can do that as consistently or as well.

9.) 11 Jan 2018 07:38:40
Clough is an odd one, when I used to see him play for Bolton I was very impressed and believed he belonged at a higher level. However I've not got that opinion of him since he's been at Forest. He has had a good crack at the whip pre KD and didn't show too much. Hopefully he'll kick on under AK. I think it's a confidence thing with him, he really needs to back himself more.

10.) 11 Jan 2018 07:54:54
I don’t doubt that Kieran Dowell is a fantastic player with great technical ability but we have Zach Clough. Clough showed glimpses of what he could do on Sunday, drifting in from the wing and carrying the ball up the pitch. I’d say karanka needs to give clough a chance and if he doesn’t perform then we have Dowell to fall back on.

11.) 11 Jan 2018 10:38:32
Clough needs to do an Osborn: put on muscle, don't get pushed off the ball, increase pace and learn to tackle, and get back to help defenders. Then he might get into the starting XI.

12.) 11 Jan 2018 11:55:21
Osborn muscle?
You wouldn't want to bump into him down a dark alley? He could get trod on.
Seen more muscle on a chicken leg.😀😀😀

13.) 11 Jan 2018 11:53:35
Friends who are Everton fans want him back, I've told them he's not ready for the Prem. Finishing the season for us will give him a good grounding, getting on the bench and first team minutes at Everton is up to him. Looks like he is still 'growing up' to me and hopefully he plays even better for Forest, for the rest of the season.

14.) 11 Jan 2018 21:41:47
The simple reason for Clough not playing is in fact Kieron Dowell. He’s so good that he’s keeping another good player out of the team.

Clough scored four goals in about 12 appearances last season, assisted with a few too.

Great that we’ve got Dowelll unto the end of the season though. Lucky to have him.



21 Dec 2017 08:19:18
Is it definitely correct that we spent a combined 4m on Murphy and Darikwa?


1.) 21 Dec 2017 08:40:19
I thought it was 2m for Murphy and 1m for Darikwa 2star.

2.) 21 Dec 2017 11:05:40
must admit I thought they were both 2 mil

3.) 21 Dec 2017 11:22:18
More to the point was it money well spent ?
Is Darikwa better than Lichaj ?
Is Murphy 2m better than Vellios ,these are the players they were bought in to replace .
Personaly I think the fees plus no doubt top championship wagers could have been spent better !

4.) 21 Dec 2017 11:32:25
Red Fred is right, Darikwa was 1 mil.

5.) 21 Dec 2017 11:39:56
Thanks all.

6.) 21 Dec 2017 22:00:15
Only one of them is worth two pints of lager and a packet of crisps?



23 Jul 2017 20:47:10
So there is a chance others outwith of vald, Lica and perquis may leave the club? Any thoughts on who? I reckon Lam could still be dispensed with as could ward . I like ward but I'm not sure warbs is too bothered. I have a feeling we might still cash in on another - Osborn would generate a tidy enough sum.


1.) 23 Jul 2017 20:56:48
I think it will be at least January before we lose anymore star players.

2.) 23 Jul 2017 21:10:59
Not so sure about Ward because he is playing better than ever since the arrival of MW.
Osborne is a definite maybe but you might see an exit of a goalkeeper or two.

3.) 23 Jul 2017 22:45:23
Hope it's not BB. If it has to be one of the young stars I'd sooner see Osborn or cash go before worrall and BB. I think Grear strikers and centre halves are very valuable. I'm not under rating BO and MC but feel sure they'd be easy to replace.

4.) 24 Jul 2017 00:58:41
2star. You say you are not under rating them, but feel sure they would be easy to replace. I hate to see your feelings if you actually were under rating them then.

5.) 24 Jul 2017 06:57:33
I wouldn't mind losing Osbourn for the right price, he hasn't really developed like we expected I don't believe. I know people will point me to the stats of last season but stats aren't everything, he does more wrong than right.

6.) 24 Jul 2017 07:24:35
Easier than worrrel and Brereton it doesn't mean they aren't good players it just means in the hierarchy of preference of who I'd keep they aren't in the top two. I hope no one else goes but suspect they might if the noise about more incomings gets louder.

7.) 24 Jul 2017 09:18:52
2star. According to MW there more incomings, i'm hoping the current incumbents have more nouse than to listen to fans wanting more, and more signings or so called stella signings.

8.) 24 Jul 2017 09:20:41
Lam, Perquis, Luca, Stojkovic all need to go, sooner the better. Keep Ward, he's a good front utility player. If we get the Greek bloke, Bouchaklis. ? Then I reckon a CB and a LB will about sort us out.

9.) 24 Jul 2017 10:45:22
I think Hobbs has been told he can also find another club.

10.) 24 Jul 2017 11:09:23
What does that mean.? Have you seen it somewhere, or it is just what your opinion is. If you have seen it, where?

11.) 24 Jul 2017 22:41:35
I'm in utter disbelief there are people out there who don't see Osborne as one of our best players.

He's far superior technically that a lot of the squad and has such a high football IQ for a young player.

It's no accident that every manager we've had since he broke through has wanted to play him every game.




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22 Jul 2018 09:15:46
I’m glad traore is leaving as we need players off the books and he’s too injury prone. When he played he always gave 100% and was certainly no worse than Worral the wobble, another who needs game time on loan to see if he can improve his game. If last season is anything to go by he’s not good enough


1.) 22 Jul 2018 09:30:56
2ster last season worrell had a different back four every other week. And a midfield that didn't protect the defence.
I'd play him this season alongside Dawson an fig in a back 3.
He will improve massively. Burnley offered 10m for him. So dyke obviously saw how good he can be.

2.) 22 Jul 2018 10:09:11
Yes point proved entirely there, Worral was bad because the others were but no chance that the others were bad because they were carrying worrall? We obviously watched a different team to each other last year. That defence improved significantly when Worrall was dropped. I doubt dyche offered any where near that and if he did we were fools not to sell.
All that said though I agree entirely that if there is a big player in there Dawson will help nuture it. It’d be amazing if cash, Worrall and Brereton come good . I think we need them too as that academy can’t be justified unless it produces regularly. Hopefully burke, lascelles and Carole have funded it and some recently.

3.) 22 Jul 2018 11:48:24
2star worrall has at the moment the unfortunate tendency to drop at least 1 game changing clanger every time he plays, i’m personally giving him the benefit of the doubt because he’s still learning, sometimes he looks quality, a season around Dawson will be career changing for him ,plenty to learn but definitely 1for the future in my opinion

4.) 22 Jul 2018 12:19:11
Spot on as always Stevie.

5.) 22 Jul 2018 14:12:59
I would agree on the views expressed here re Worrall and last season ( particularly in tandem with Smith ) he was guilty of a fair few major errors.

He would not be my first choice but I hope that a season as " understudy " to Dawson should be of benefit to him.
That said I personally think that he lacks pace and can be quite easily turned which are physical attributes that he needs to improve upon.

As to the supposed 10 million offer from Burnley I think that may well have been pretty good business but perhaps it was an early indication that we are no longer in the position of having to sell to survive/invest.

Roll on Bristol ( £32 a ticket seems steep but I think we may well find a lot of clubs hiking our tickets up ) and

As always .


6.) 22 Jul 2018 14:41:30
The defence improved when the likes of bridgcutt Watson colbeck came. Before they came it was like the allimo at times under warburton. And yes worrell and others did make mistakes. And when Uve got a shit midfield and crap fullbacks to play alongside. Mistakes you will make covering for other players. Wether you John terry tony Adams des walker berasi if Uve got rubbish in front of you doesn't matter how good u are. Worrell a young lad and will improve immensely this season

7.) 22 Jul 2018 20:49:48
Worrall is a class act otherwise he would not being developed under the new England set up.

Lascelles looked ropey when paired with some our previous back four but has developed into the best uncapped defender in the Premiership.

Many have laid into the fact that he has not been picked by AK but in one of his latest interviews its clear that Worrall has had a fitness issue since the back end of the season.

We will be playing 3 at the back when on the front foot and he will be first pick with Daws and Figs.


8.) 22 Jul 2018 21:25:27
The defence improved because of colback and Watson,but the attack suffered for it,hence how many games we went without scoring.
Its all about finding the right balance,Not individuals.



20 Jul 2018 21:10:46
Do we need guediora, Bridcutt, Watson and Colback. Is it it curtains for Bridcutt?


1.) 20 Jul 2018 21:58:26
I hope not 2star I think bridcutt will come good

2.) 20 Jul 2018 22:31:03
Guedi maybe the worst out of that list for me

3.) 20 Jul 2018 22:40:02
Geddy past his best. Bridgcutt will keep Watson and colbeck on their toes healthy competition.

4.) 21 Jul 2018 01:10:00
Think you need to "draw " your own conclusions on that one 2 star.

5.) 21 Jul 2018 07:29:39
Keep the 4 of them, all 4 great champ players in that position, very healthy competition. No one should be guaranteed their place in the starting 11 this season.

6.) 21 Jul 2018 08:38:01
We need all 4. Injuries/suspensions/cup games etc. Squad will be rotated when we have 3 games in week. Some on here are being very quick to write off Guedioura. He'd had a bad injury and not played for months when we signed him.A good pre season and he will be back to his best and pushing Watson and Colback for a start.

7.) 21 Jul 2018 09:26:29
I’ll go with that perks - good shout

8.) 21 Jul 2018 12:07:56
Pull yourself together FF 79!!!😂😂😂



17 Jul 2018 20:36:25
Carlo get your rubber pants and bedspread out , young Ben has scored for England !




14 Jul 2018 21:03:53
Surprised that clough has been totally banished , I thought he would be loaned with an open mind on his future . Mind you you he was one of our worst players last season. 3 million wasted there I’m afraid, we’ll be lucky to get 500k back




29 Jun 2018 20:54:38
I’ve no view either way on Bamford, I don’t really know enough about him to coment. It does feel a hypocritical though.

we got 13m for burke- with many saying fawaz sold us short, plenty say Brereton is worth 10 mil and he averages a couple goals every 15 games.

Forest are surely not the only club allowed to expect daft money for their players are they?


1.) 29 Jun 2018 21:08:25
2star does that mean that you would also pay £6 million for Posh boy?

2.) 29 Jun 2018 21:16:59
No I wouldn’t - I’d gamble on 3 tops and give them grant as well and B.B. and Worral for the season - if they paid the wages. Fry’s attempt to link him to Stan and Britt was clearly a desperate ploy to tap into our desperation to be good Again




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15 Jul 2018 20:44:02
I agree with you APS, I’m all for it if they are good enough but if they’re not let them get their games and experience elsewhere, I can’t see what the issue is with that.




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15 Jul 2018 19:03:05
Yep that’s right billy no doubt. There you go Carlo billy has said it too. If you can score goals you’re good enough and old enough . .




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15 Jul 2018 18:05:20
In that case thank God he’s at least Forth choice behind soudani, Murphy and grabban!




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15 Jul 2018 18:04:00
Is that from when they promised to make a board game themed on him then dropped him at The last minute Carlo?




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13 Jul 2018 23:21:56
Indeed FF it seems the jury is still out on Cummings it seems there was no room at the Scottish premier inn





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22 Jul 2018 21:35:28
Still not sure mate, we have to get a good start - something we’re not very good at. Have we sorted out our pathetic defensive frailties yet. I hope so red - we so deserve a good season. I’ve gone thumbs down as i think there is still a lot to do .




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22 Jul 2018 18:25:54
It would be dead funny and I pray for it every season




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22 Jul 2018 12:19:11
Spot on as always Stevie.




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22 Jul 2018 10:09:11
Yes point proved entirely there, Worral was bad because the others were but no chance that the others were bad because they were carrying worrall? We obviously watched a different team to each other last year. That defence improved significantly when Worrall was dropped. I doubt dyche offered any where near that and if he did we were fools not to sell.
All that said though I agree entirely that if there is a big player in there Dawson will help nuture it. It’d be amazing if cash, Worrall and Brereton come good . I think we need them too as that academy can’t be justified unless it produces regularly. Hopefully burke, lascelles and Carole have funded it and some recently.




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21 Jul 2018 13:06:56
Lol burncross!