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09 May 2017 20:03:54
Now that Fawaz is gone, will all those boycotting the club return?

Or will they wait to see how the new guy spends his money, before continuing their boycott.

Anyone who thinks that with the departure of Fawaz, we have got rid of the problem within the club is deluded.

Fawaz was a problem without a doubt, but he was not the only problem and by no stretch of the imagination the biggest.

We have thousands of good loyal fans and they are among the best in the country.

We also have a few hundred not so loyal fans. These fans think they are loyal, but they are very fickle. They are too quick to criticise, they want the club to spend money it does not have and they are forever threatening to boycott the ground. They were there under Nigel Doughty and they are still there.


1.) 09 May 2017 20:17:50
Spend money we do not have. Wonder what their politics are.


2.) 09 May 2017 20:21:40
The only thing that protesting does is saves the protesters money. How often has a club changed its attitude on a subject because of protesting.

Watching boring football is more interesting than standing up holding a bit of wood, or banner spouting words that have no effect, and that is saying something.


3.) 09 May 2017 20:30:39
No one should boycott the club they support just because they don't like the owner, it makes things worst and while I am very glad to see the back of him, he didn't wake up one morning and think, you know what I'm going to buy forest and waste 100 million pounds and run the club into the ground. no one does that and there are plenty of owners just as bad as him on running a club.
Villa, Leeds sheep, Birmingham, Sheffield clubs, wolves, Coventry,
All clubs whose fans believe they belong in the prem, but all badly run and that's why they are with us.

{Ed001's Note - surely it depends on what the owner has done?}


4.) 09 May 2017 20:48:19
Edd agree and at least Fawaz is selling now, for all Blackburn and Coventry fans protests they're still lumbered with their owners.
Blackpool fans have boycotted and the oystons are still in charge and they've built em three quarters of a stadium but ruined the club in the process .
Staying away achieves nothing.

{Ed003's Note - You need to do some research on Blackpool,the stadium was paid for by football league grants and Valeri Belekon's ( a 20 % shareholder) investment and as a side note is suing the Oyston's in the high court this summer.
The Blackpool fans are staying away as a 'not a penny more protest' as many monies have been taken out of the football club and put in the Oyston's other business's,why would any Blackpool fan go and pay in when their money is diverted away from the club,never mind the countless and still ongoing legal actions against fans ? If they don't go their is an appetite for a phoenix club but I doubt it will come to that.


5.) 09 May 2017 21:07:03
I know about blackpool but my point was bad owners in general not a specific case and all that goes with it.


6.) 09 May 2017 21:44:19
The protests were to drive the chairman out, isn't he now going?
I, d say those who put up bits of wood and words that obviously had no effect? are some of Forests most loyal supporters, people who by regularley attendeding have the absolute right to protest .

The right to protest as been fundamental to what we in England take for granted,
People in charge tend to like their own way always have done always will do.
CARLO.


7.) 09 May 2017 22:02:34
My view on this is that our fans do have unrealistic expectations. We are still victims of the success that set the bar too high for an relatively unfashionable club as it raised expectations too high. No one was in a position to turn the silver into gold and many of us find it frustrating that we can't compete in tier 2.

It's quite hard to understand how we got so bad but I think Clough covered over a lot of rot at the club - God bless him - and it all fell apart quickly around him as his magic sadly ran out.

It's still hard to comprehend the rapidity of our demise which shows that one mans magic made us special rather than the greatness of the club. Fergie wasn't dissimilar but Man Utd ensured the magic of a man set the foundations of a great club.


8.) 09 May 2017 22:41:09
So you've driven an owner out that you detest, are you sure the ship that's sailing in will be better?
How long is he allowed to own the club without successbefore it's time to protest and get rid of him?
He's in charge and it's his money.
Most owners aren't liked even man utd and what they got to moan about
There's no guarantee of success, I'll just be happy to watch my team every week play good football without the fear of relegation and not be laughed at next season.
New era let's hope there's no need for protests.


9.) 09 May 2017 22:50:35
When Sam Longston started his I know best at Derby Sir Brian protested, he walked out!
CARLO.


10.) 10 May 2017 03:18:01
Carlo

Who is to say that the chairman was not just fed up with his toy.

When you are a manager doing a decent job you have some semblance of power by being prepared to walk out, Clough knew he could make a decent living wherever he decided to go, be it in football or whatever else he turned his hand to.

Fans are just an insignificant byproduct of owning a club.


11.) 10 May 2017 06:25:19
Don't get to excited yet Wisheyeddove according to Companies House Fawaz is still the owner and the deal has not gone through yet. This Greek guy has a lot to prove to the Football League before he can get his hands on our beloved Forest.


12.) 10 May 2017 08:50:06
Agreed Bezman. So far we have had promises from Fawaz that he will, is, has sold the club, but as yet no confirmation that is the case. First things first.


13.) 10 May 2017 14:25:35
Well if fans are just insignificant part of a football club, I'll give up now!
CARLO.


14.) 10 May 2017 16:29:12
Carlo

Please tell us all :

When on Boxing Day some teams have to travel huge distances, are the fans considered.

When some broadcasting companies change games days, and times at short notice, are the fans considered.

If you wrote, emailed, or phoned the club asking to see someone to discuss something to improve the club, would you be seen.


15.) 10 May 2017 16:48:39
Good point to be fair
Best just to watch the team, have a good day with your mates and keep out of the politics of the club.


16.) 10 May 2017 18:36:37
Some on here saying Fawaz problems have been caused by listening to Gobby fans, others saying fans are irrelevant, you can't have it both ways .
I don, t know one fan who, s happy with the last five years so people are bound to moan but only because things have far beyond what most fans are prepared to tolerate, it, s just been one ba--s up after another and the owner carrying blindly on, no doubt he was still signing players right up to the Jan transfer window, more poor signings .
Most fans I know would be happy just to follow a well run club who do their best and try to fulfill fans hopes, we all know you can't win em all.
CARLO.


17.) 10 May 2017 19:30:27
Carlo but in a way they have both got a point.
To me especially this season this group of players have let us down, after all they are the ones who go on the pitch and Wear the shirt.
They seem to think it's OK to turn it on when it suits and this is a very unforgiving league, you can't do that.
We have a small nucleus of players worth keeping, the rest need to go, they are not up to the job.
This group have cost at least three managers their jobs and as I said before the Ipswich game I left at the final whistle as I don't think they deserve adulation for nearly getting us relegated.
MW hopefully has identified the ones with no bottle for a scrap and will ship em out.
They collectively won the award for the worst forest Away side in 90 years.
So while Fawaz was clueless in how to run the club and I offer no defence for that, the buck stops with the players, they are paid handsomely by the club, the least they could do is wear the shirt with pride and give 100% even in defeat.


 

 

20 Apr 2017 22:33:20
I have nothing personal against Jordan Smith, I just don't think he is good enough yet to be our keeper. He was brought in by Gary Brazil, who had a vested interest in playing academy players.

Ask two questions: if Jordan had not renewed his contract a few weeks ago, how many Championship clubs would have snapped him up?

What are the chances that when we have a goalkeeper crisis we discover that our 4th choice keeper at the beginning of the season, a player that has been at the club for over nine years, just happened to be a Championship standard goalkeeper all along?

If he plays the last three games, I wish him well, but his lack of height invites shots and crosses.


1.) 20 Apr 2017 22:54:48
This is why we are such a united team with negative crap like this.
He has been drafted in and has been excellent but still gets critasised.

Truth is we keep losing 1-0 and as a team at the bottom we are easy picking so conceding one goal per game is not the problem. Not scoring ourselves is more a concern.

Let's give the young players support not critasism.


2.) 20 Apr 2017 22:59:51
I really hope Jordan does not read this forum? He has not let the team down. We have had a season of interference in squad assembling and poor tactics despite having a quality squad!


3.) 20 Apr 2017 23:16:53
Understand what you saying but we have no. option
Stoikovic is a total joke
To be honest Shilton wouldn't want to play behind this back four no matter what permutation
Only time we look solid was back three against Huddersfield
Think we should acept we can't defend and a new goalkeeper will. make no difference
When we say unlucky to lose games one nil we had our luck to get three points against Newcastle and villa over a season that evens out
Let's just hope that MW has learnt about this squad he's inherited and goes against his principles and plays two up front, I'm more concerned about the lack of goals than the goalkeeper.


4.) 21 Apr 2017 06:29:42
Young keepers come in and do well and people still give them a pounding for it. evtimov was the same made a few cracking saves but let one in and he's not good enoigh, now smith who was thrown in at the deep end and has done as well as we could of expected yet still gets grief for it. you can't develop as a player unless managers give you a chance to develop and show what your about, peter Shilton was 6ft tall did his height worry you?


5.) 21 Apr 2017 07:18:48
To be fair to Jordan he's only 100% better than Stojkovic and Henderson is injured - at the start of the season everyone wanted Henderson out! In the words of the poison dwarf 'it is what it is' Jordan smith is a good keeper in my opinion.


6.) 21 Apr 2017 14:55:22
sorry, but Smith is better than De Vries and that's coming from a fellow keeper. He's be excellent. He kept us in a few games - especially Derby at CG. He could have done better for the Blackburn goal, but that's it. Vent you frustration at the weak centre backs or lack of creativity in midfield, not at the best keeper we've had since Darlow.


7.) 21 Apr 2017 19:31:00
How many crosses did de vries come for whilst playing for us? never commanded his box by catching a cross or a corner. yet people were angry when we let him go. he was a good shot stopper but hardly ever caught a cross or came for a corner.


8.) 21 Apr 2017 21:26:06
Smith has only conceded on average a goal a game compared to 1.75 goals per game before he came in?

We have a good keeper!

Our problem is a weak midfield attacking the touchline and not the goal!

For all our sanity when is a midfielder going to just look up SHOOT and hit the target?


9.) 21 Apr 2017 22:09:31
So much for the best balanced squad we've put together in years then?
Anyway let's hope we can keep a clean sheet and at least a point, preferably 3 and don't care how ugly it looks anything to stay in championship.
Can't go tomorrow as have a weekend away with some brummie friends, he's city fan he's more worried than us as like he says they could be in Bottom three sat night .
Have radio on though and will be at QPR so 3 points tomorrow please and make my trip to QPR a bit less stressful.
So come on you tricky trees kick sum ass and give the supporters a win that they deserve.
Enjoy your day lads, wish I could be there.


10.) 22 Apr 2017 16:02:42
Nothing wrong with the squad it's the way they are all coached to a playlist and not allowed to express themselves!


11.) 22 Apr 2017 22:29:36
Shilts was never a keeper that used to come for crosses. In all fairness, I can't remember many keepers that do these days. When you have a couple of big centre halfs in front of you, it's asking for trouble coming out trying to catch balls over their head.


 

 

20 Apr 2017 11:03:55
I hear Ben Osborn's Dad has taken to twitter to warn us 'that we will miss him when he has gone. '

Much as I like young Ben and believe he has a bright further in the game, I don't think Forest would miss him if he went. If we got the £4 million being touted I would again think that good business.

Ben's greatest asset is his fitness, he will run forever. In a game he will cover every blade of grass. When though was the last time you saw Ben go into a tackle and come out with the ball? When did you see him burst from midfield to start an attack or thread a ball through for another forward to score?

In an era when James Milner has over 70 England caps, I guess just being fit is good enough. Or maybe that is what is wrong with England too. Good professional fit players who do nothing but run around.

Benny if you do leave, do yourself a favour, spend a few training sessions watching what David Vaughan does when his ageing legs get him into the action areas. You still have a lot to learn son and if your Dad thinks otherwise he is giving you bad advice.

Tony Woodcock went to Lincoln on loan once upon a time, realised how well off he was at Forest and came back a far better person and player.


1.) 20 Apr 2017 11:48:50
My feelings exactly, Ben has no end product, a cross, pace to beat a man, a through ball, a finish. His pass completion stats are very good because he is world class at passing the ball to the left back!


2.) 20 Apr 2017 12:46:06
He'll still be first on the team sheet on Saturday wether we like it or not
But the match day squad picks itself because he won't play any of the loan players so if we do drop him it's who we bring in for him
Bit confused about manciene cus he'll be on the bench and if we get an injury in defence he'd have to come on thus opening the clause in his contract, are we sure he has an option in his contract that stated yesterday?


3.) 20 Apr 2017 12:59:22
If Ben Osborn is going to the Premiership the minimum fee is £10m for a squad player!

I think he would shine with better players around him but he still will not score enough goals, move the ball quickly enough and get bullied in the centre of the park to be a top class player.

He is not our new Andy Reid and never will be!


4.) 20 Apr 2017 15:56:50
I don't agree with any of this at all. Osborn is one of the players we should base the next Forest team around. We will miss him badly if he goes, and he will succeed elsewhere, despite all the banal and silly comments on Twitter etc.


5.) 20 Apr 2017 18:18:09
Bsered- I hope you've included those silly comments that apparently came from his father?


6.) 20 Apr 2017 19:43:15
If he's not playing centrally he shouldn't be in the team. Never been a wide player never will be.


7.) 20 Apr 2017 19:59:17
Osborn is our top assister this season and has created the most chances of anyone in the squad.
People moaning about him not passing forwards (his stats are 50% forward) but if there's no players to pass to in space you play the way your facing.


8.) 20 Apr 2017 20:57:01
Stats can hide a lot of things. He may well have stats of 50 per cent forward but that doesn't show how difficult or creative the pass was. The goalkeeper probably has a near 100 per cent forward pass rate but it doesn't make him the next iniesta!


9.) 20 Apr 2017 22:12:23
On Osborn playing centrally you either have to be very gifted with that stature or have a nasty streak or a bit of both.
In this day of modern football it is near impossible not to get suspended playing in midfield, but he dosent because he dosent do 50/ 50 challenges.
So therefore dose not get booked and he hasn't got the ability to split defences and is not exactly a goal threat so to me only one place in the side at the moment and that's left wing.
The great robbo thought he was a central midfielder till cloughy told him different and the rest is history
So unless he can add a goal threat or a nasty streak can't see him progressing.


10.) 20 Apr 2017 23:03:14
If he was good at geometry he would be a world beater. It cannot be everyone else's fault if he cannot play a striker in?


 

 

15 Apr 2017 10:00:17
The game today made me fear relegation even more, because the game reminded me so much of our last spell in Division one.

Blackburn, yes they were playing as well, produced a classic City Ground away performance.

Often with 10 men behind the ball, they wasted time from the first minute and gave the impression they were happy with a 0:0 draw. Then with the crowd on the home teams back, with frustration levels at maximum, they hit us with the sucker punch.

Mowbray, never a manager to send out entertaining teams, was in his element.

Yes Forest were not as sharp, because they were not allowed to be. Every time Forest tried to insert some momentum to the game, Blackburn stifled it.

All it need was a referee who thought that the 26,000 crowd had come to watch him and the nightmare scenario was complete.

If we survive the drop, I am sorry Jordan, but the first thing we need is a goalkeeper. Jordan Smith is a great lad, but is simply not big enough. I have not seen a replay of their goal, but headers should not be scored from corners from that close range.

Cardiff will attack on Monday. It will be tough but that game will suit another Huddersfield performance.


1.) 15 Apr 2017 11:26:31
Wish how did you rate shilton as a goalkeeper?
What keeper would you bring in that's big enough to stop all goals from corners?


2.) 15 Apr 2017 12:47:09
Fat Albert or Dennis Russo.


3.) 15 Apr 2017 13:12:39
Bobby mimms.


4.) 15 Apr 2017 13:24:25
Mr Creosote.


5.) 15 Apr 2017 14:36:35
Mr. Blobby.


6.) 15 Apr 2017 15:25:49
With the greatest respect to yourself and to Jordan Smith, there is only one Peter Shilton and no goalkeeper before or since has come close to matching him.

Jordan is still learning his trade and may one day be a Championship goalkeeper, he should not be doing so in a relegation threatened Forest first team. IMHO

His lack of height may not turn out to be an issue, right now his lack of experience is! He is nowhere near international standard, which begs the question, how is he keeping the current Bulgarian goalkeeper out of the team?


7.) 15 Apr 2017 18:03:58
Albert Iremonger .6,6"
CARLO.


8.) 15 Apr 2017 20:03:18
You said he simply isn't big enough! which suggests you think his height and stature isn't big enough to be a keeper or a good keeper. now you go onto his experience! sounds like your backtracking to me. next season he will have a half season ish of experience behind him to crack on and improve next season. the only way he will get better is playing championship football behind the players at the club he plays for so he gets to gel with them and they gel with him.


9.) 15 Apr 2017 20:18:29
Jordan Smith 6'2"
Karl Darlow 6'1"
Dorus de Vires 6'1"
Lee Camp 6'1"
Stephen Henderson 6'2"

I suggest that height is a non issue its about talent and mobility?


10.) 15 Apr 2017 21:04:23
Beg to differ Wisheydove Steve Sutton was a very good keeper!


11.) 15 Apr 2017 20:51:21
Why do some blokes always add a couple of inches on?
Peter Shilton 6,1
Peter Grummitt 5,10
Gordon Banks 5,11
CARLO.


12.) 15 Apr 2017 23:09:23
Hans Van Breukelen was next best came very close to Shilton
Had the pleasure of meeting him again last year at a 150th anniversary evening and he isn't the tallest but great goalkeeper.


13.) 16 Apr 2017 00:11:01
Ray Clemence was a superb keeper, can't believe he isn't mentioned! Must be my age!


14.) 16 Apr 2017 01:19:13
Chris Woods was up there and we should have kept him!


15.) 16 Apr 2017 02:04:01
What about BIG Nev Southall! Took a bloody brave striker to take him on one on one at close quarters.


16.) 16 Apr 2017 10:25:51
We have plenty of goalkeepers, no point in buying another, there are other priorities.


17.) 16 Apr 2017 11:11:58
Makes me laugh we put so much emphasis on the youngsters and the academy and then try to push one of them backwards rather than stick with him, some fans attitudes are very similar to the current owner who they slate. As a club we need to decide on a way forward and stick with it-some of our fans will not accept that though and unfortunately that is one of the reasons why we will always be a disjointed club.


18.) 16 Apr 2017 11:26:04
Jordan Smith is actually 6 ft not 6ft 2 lol, he's not exactly small. again people not giving a good young keeper a chance, then these same people will moan about selling how best young players velios has a better strike rate than brereton does this mean the later isn't good enough to play in front of velios? I think not.


19.) 16 Apr 2017 15:18:11
Smith has been bought in at a sticky point in the season and for a young lad like that to come in and do as well as he has with no massive mistakes against his name suggests that he is a very good keeper in the making. fans not giving him a chance again proves how bad some fans are.


20.) 16 Apr 2017 18:22:55
Well said utf wasn't his fault for the goal and he's saved us more than once since he came in
Any one who prefers stoikovic needs their heads looking at the guys made more mistakes than a little he's a joke.


 

 

01 Apr 2017 11:02:16
Assombalonga has made a remarkable recovery from his horrendous injury. I seriously thought his career was over when I saw a picture of the post operation scar.

There is little wrong with his fitness. His current goal drought is purely down to the lack of service he is getting. It is no good firing long balls up at him, he is not that type of centre forward. Create him chances in and around the penalty area he will put them away.

Britt is not missing chances: the chances aren't being created for him. I would still like to see him and McCormack giving more game time together. Either start the game with them or finish the game with them it doesn't matter which. I just see McCormack as the player with the guile to create chances and score them. Start with Clough and Brererton tell them to give 100% for an hour then send on Assombalonga and McCormack.

If Brererton is jaded play Vellios and Clough.

If Mills is fit, I would start with him as the right sided centre back and Fox as the left sided centre back.

I would also go with experience in midfield, with Ward on the right, Mancienne and Vaughan in the centre and Cohen on the left.

Tough on the kids, but if they are good enough they will come back. These are tough times and it is time to play a team for now, not a team for the future. If we want that future to be in the Championship next season we need our most experienced players.


1.) 01 Apr 2017 22:11:51
Agree to a point. However, Mills cannot play the ball out from defence?

Clough is our only creative midfielder who plays the ball forward.

Your default team selection have no pace and so have to play the ball all over the back 2/ 3 rds of the pitch and cannot release the best 4 strikers in the division!

Warbo will find the correct balance for each match.


2.) 02 Apr 2017 09:08:04
Harsh on Worrall as well to accommodate Mills.


3.) 02 Apr 2017 09:43:12
Redinexile,

I do not want Mills playing the ball out of defence. He is a head it, kick it, tackle it type of centre half. I would pick him because he has more experience than Worrall, who plays the same type of game. By the same token I would pick Hobbs, if fit, ahead of Mills.

I agree with you about Clough, I see he made the goal for Assombalonga yesterday. I personally think McCormack could unlock defences too.

I also agree with your comment about lack of pace in my selection although Ward is no slouch. Osborn and Cash are not greyhounds though for young lads they are a bit one paced.

I personally like Carayol at least he can be relied on to get past his fullback. Even if his crossing is inconsistent. The only other man in the squad with any pace is Pereira and I would have him around as an impact player.

We start every game between now and the end of the season with a point. With an experience first 11 we have a good chance of keeping that point and sneaking the odd win.

The kids will have their day, but this is not the time to be building for the future. For the same reason Smith needs replacing with an emergency loan signing or bringing back Stojkovic.


4.) 02 Apr 2017 13:35:56
Wishheyeddove

Mills is vocal, and experienced but he ponders for too long as what to do with the ball.

Although he scores every now and again he also costs us games every now and again.

I would not be surprised to see him leave in the summer.


5.) 03 Apr 2017 06:39:55
Mills is one of our worst defenders. gives the ball away constantly with 50yard hoof it passes to our strikers given the opponents chance to start another attack. he is caught out of position many times in a game which the full back or other cb have to cover for which leaves big gaps. he has a bad error in him every game and at this point in this season we really do not need that, also he has no pace at all.
Worrall has made a few errors since his inclusion but I would still prefer him over mills any day.


 

 

 

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16 Oct 2017 08:20:55
If,as some of you are already calling for, Mark Warburton goes before the end of the season, I will be gone too.
I hate losing games of football as much as the next man. What I hate more though is this mad crazy merry go round of managers.

Mark Warburton is another in along list of good managers who have come in, half revamped the squad and then not allowed to complete the job.

I am sick of hearing about people with so called Rangers connections, who claim that Mark Warburton is a one trick pony. It is ‘horse ship’
Yesterday he recalled Lichaj and played with a flat back four. I have seen him employ at least six different set ups in home games alone.
We were the better team for large parts of yesterday’s game and that despite going down after 24 seconds.
Vellios is a good player who I believe the new owner wanted back in Greece. That may have more to do with him being out in the cold than his ability as a striker.

I will make a prediction, if Mark Warburton goes before January, the first thing the new manager will say is he needs 5 or 6 new signings. The merry go round will start again. I want to see a club going forwards not going round in circles. If we abandon this brave new dawn, I’m off. I can’t stand to see the club I love spiral into more chaos, fuelled it has to be said by a small loud mouthed minority of fans.


1.) 16 Oct 2017 08:38:26
Stick with MW, as long as we are in an improved position from last season then that's fine by me. We are a mid table team at best currently. We outplayed Derby yesterday, they got lucky twice.


2.) 16 Oct 2017 09:49:07
Wishey do you really believe in mark warburton??? If so fair enough. But to say you will be gone if he is sacked is strange. When pearce was oosted after some poor defensive displays a lot on here were happy. Given time pearce would have turned it around. He had already signed some quality players but was robbed through injury of a lot. Warbs has had enough time to settle things into a pattern but its chaotic chop and change and he defo has his favourites. Based on yesterday sacking would not be right as that game is a one off. But unfortunately after the break things are the same. Murphy looked jaded and he should have been replaced. After his 3 substitutions we went backwards and fizzled out. I am forest through thick and thin that's why we are supporters we can only watch and cheer. " the lads need no motivation they are really up and well organised for this game " 24 seconds a throw in cheaply defended and a shimy and a waltz the ball is in the back of the net. At amateur level you make it difficult for the thrower as its going to be feet and back, simples. No one got stuck in in that first few seconds. It was so pedestrian and passionless. Appart from lichai and ward their was little agression. Its warbs team make no mistake but i cannot see the hirearchy stomaching much more of this inept little end product stuff. The only pattern developing is that we are easy to beat. Sheff uwere unlucky like the rest of our victories. Liks i said earlier have we managed to scrape a battling draw yet????


3.) 16 Oct 2017 09:52:32
Completely agree Meaty, stick with Warburton and his way, it's such a young side and needs time to develop.


4.) 16 Oct 2017 10:11:04
Like most people I want Warburton to succeed because he insist on playing the passing game we want to see. Trouble is that he has inherited a side that cannot defend. It will not be long before some of our central defenders' contracts are up. Fox, Mills and Hobbs haven't long to go, not sure on Manc. Maybe he should risk a few more youngsters in central defence - Ahmedhodic, Coveney, and buy more defenders in the next window if available. In the meantime I see no reason why the silent Manc should be captain - he's not a natural leader, and it looks like Bridcutt is not going to "cut it"in central midfield so the gaping holes we have always had are still there. Derby's first goal came from our left hand side and I'm beginning to think letting Pinnilos go was a big mistake. Either Warburton repairs the obvious weaknesses or come January he may well be gone.


5.) 16 Oct 2017 10:38:14
rutland red

I agree we sacked Pearce too soon. I do like Warburton yes. He is trying to play football. Is it Warburton's team? Partially, yes. That is my point. We allow Managers like Pearce, like Freedman, like O'Driscoll and even Montanier to an extent, we allow them to come in, they start to bring in the players they want, or can afford and then we get rid of them because results are not instantly promotion standard.

Part of Warburton's plan is what many of us said we wanted, that being to give the kids a chance. With kids you get bags of energy, but the odd lapse of concentration. Warburton and the kids need time.

I am no greater fan of Mark Warburton than I was of any of the other managers I have mentioned, but he is in the hot seat right now and I want him to be given at least one full season to show what progress his side can make.

If we finish outside the relegation zone and the kids have had a full season. I would give him another full season.

David Vaughan, Chris Cohen and Jack Hobbs are all really good players but all at the wrong end of injury ravaged careers. Warburton can and will play these players if he is desperate for results, but he is trying to build a team for the future as much as anything.

He tried desperately to bring in a more experienced keeper and his old centre half from Brentford. When they failed to materialise he turned to players like Smith and Worrall. The young lads are getting better all the time, but they are young and it will take time.

Give the manager time. That is where we cocked up in the past, it can't be allowed to happen again. A new manger now just brings in more new players and we start from scratch again.


6.) 16 Oct 2017 11:31:04
Well don't go and stop following the reds if warbs goe wishey. You are a sound fan with good ideas. My point is that modern football does not allow for settling in, you hit the ground running, other clubs have had good runs when imstalling a new manager recently. Defence is no place to blood youngsters, mistakes are very costly. Playing strikers as wingers to gain experience again is nonsense. Watford are still in the prem and they change managers like we change our socks. No if we were drawing a few matches and showing grit and improvement i would agree with the stability standpoint. And yes we all want stability but realistically warbs is making his own grave. A goid house is built on solid foundations our foundations are replaced week in week out and either good defenders won't come to us or it actually is his memesis. If you have a weak defence then you protect it with midfield generals and try not to expose your weakness there. The threat is not stopped at source so we get fut open easily like the goals derby scored yesterday.


 

 

15 Oct 2017 17:28:05
Murphy was running on fumes and was below par.
The quality that Derby have it pains me to say will see them finish higher than us and in a play off place.
McKay scores his one on one and we were back in a game we were dominating.
Fine margins indeed


1.) 15 Oct 2017 17:37:52
The quality that derby have?you do know how much that “quality cost” and for large parts of the game that quality was outplayed.


2.) 15 Oct 2017 20:19:46
Couldn't agree more, Forest were much the better team and deserved something out of the game! COYR


3.) 15 Oct 2017 21:33:26
Who's got 3 points possession or quality is rest my case


 

 

01 Oct 2017 11:36:13
Did you see it?

Ben Osborn getting stuck in. Jordan Smith commanding his 6 yard box and plucking crosses out of the air.

This season and the long term future of the club depends largely on how our young talent develops. Joe Worrall still has the odd lapse, but he was solid as a rock for most of the game.

I hope Ben Brererton goes away and scores a goal or two for England. He needs to remember what a great prospect he is.

In the nicest possible way I hope Vaughan Hobbs and Cohen never play again. Not because they are past it, but because the younger lads are playing so well they can't be dropped to bring the experienced players back.

It is a gamble and Warburton is brave for sticking with it, but if the young lads survive they will only get better.

Sheffield Utd were a big strong physical side and tried to bully us. Our young lads stood up to the bullies and we all know bullies hate it when you do that.

Not a brilliant performance, but a very significant one.


1.) 01 Oct 2017 12:12:53
What's the bets mill is straight back in the side now though lol


2.) 01 Oct 2017 12:37:33
Smith has been getting better for weeks. We should definitely stick with him no doubt. Brereton, as the weeks pass has more and more to prove. We have far better players who should be in front of him. Hopefully once cash and ward are fit they will be ahead of him in the pecking order. I wonder if a lone spell might help BB?


3.) 01 Oct 2017 13:49:19
No way mate. we've loaned more out that "Quick-Quid!!"😂😂😂


4.) 01 Oct 2017 14:26:44
Brereton has been a lone all season out wide on the right! Time to bring him home and play him off Murphy rotating him with Cummings?


5.) 01 Oct 2017 15:05:59
Can't agree with not having Vaughan in the side. We are much better with him, and miss his crunching tackles in midfield.


6.) 01 Oct 2017 15:06:45
I'd say your right red,Cummings looks good but lacks the fitness to last 90 mins at the moment,but that will come.
Only way I can see him playing 2 up is with wing backs though.
We are certainly more of a threat with that system.
Problem point though is darikwa,he got slaughtered yesterday and even got a rollicking off warbo.
Need to bring Eric in as the wing back or right back,lost count of how many goals darikwa has cost us indirectly with his ball watching.


7.) 01 Oct 2017 15:17:18
I can't get my head around this lichaj darikwa situation ? I could understand it if warbs had never had Eric in the team but he was ever present last season even under MW. It's as frustrating as when clough kept playing Gary Charles in front of laws all those years ago. No matter how poor Charles was he kept him in despite the fact laws was a rock at right back


8.) 03 Oct 2017 05:00:54
Managers stick stubornly to certain players. Warbo brought Darikwa in and may feel he looks to have made a mistake if he brings Eric back. Stuborn.


 

 

27 Sep 2017 14:15:38
2star hoff ball is hoff ball. Given the choice would you want our next manager to be Wenger or Pullis? Who would you rather watch Barcelona or Stoke.

I cringed when we were linked with Mick McCarthy. Megson is number 2 at West Brom.

Forest are known for playing football the way it should be played. Even before Clough, Carey's side in the mid 60's was a passing side.

I know my posts are like Marmite, you either like or you hate them, but all I ever call for is for us to stick to a few basic principles. Top of that list is we play the ball on the ground.

We got beat last night, but we played good football at times and when we did it was good to watch.

One word on Cummings, who is a Cloughie type. A bit of a misfit with talent. Clough would have ripped him a new hole last night had he been there, not because he missed a couple of good chances, but because he never attacked the near post once. Clough was a prolific striker and he knew better than anyone centre halves and goalkeepers hate it when strikers attack the near post.


1.) 27 Sep 2017 15:43:19
Wishey, I'm not sure what your asking me to be honest ? What's the context? Is your question related to a previous post of mine?


2.) 27 Sep 2017 15:53:12
Hear hear Wishey. Let's get the old boots on and show these wallflowers how to shake up the opposition?


3.) 27 Sep 2017 16:41:18
I guess all I am saying is, there is a Forest way and Warburton is trying to play it.
If we were winning playing the Forest way, everyone would be happy.
Even if it guaranteed more consistent results I would not want to watch a Pullis side, or a McCarthy side, I was glad McLeish did not stay long too, for the same reason.

No nonsense defending is one thing, sticking it in row Z is still a good option in the right circumstances. But when a defender or our keeper has the time, I want them to play out from the back, on the floor.


4.) 27 Sep 2017 17:06:20
Johnny Carey's 60s side was solid in defence with an excellent keeper who was unlucky to be born in the era of Banks, Bonnetti etc or he would have played for England.It had two great centre backs and reliable full backs. Clough and Taylor built their team around clean sheets which is why BC 'wanted two hard b------- at the middle of the defence' (his words not mine) and one of the best goalies ever to draw breath. Neither would have accepted shipping two goals a game.


5.) 27 Sep 2017 18:40:45
Since when was the forest way getting players who aren't comfortable knocking the ball around to play out from the back and I don't want to be too harsh on our gk as he has got potential but getting him playing with his feet is a bit like asking Shaun Ryder not to swear on live tv. Get the ball to the right people asap and let them play with it-play to your strengths not weaknesses


6.) 27 Sep 2017 20:08:41
Honestly? After seasons of pain I couldn't care less who the manager is, how many academy players we have, who plays or how we play. All I want is a few seasons of being competitive in the 2nd tier - especially at home. Perpetual seasons of struggle in any division normally ends in one way and our struggle is definitely perpetual


7.) 27 Sep 2017 20:13:37
Rome wasn't built in a day it will take time the football seems really good sometimes it just needs to click Into place and we're still missing a few good signings


8.) 27 Sep 2017 20:15:01
Definitely missing a full line up of defenders and a goalkeeper it's been like this for a few seasons just hope it gets sorted in January.


9.) 27 Sep 2017 22:23:04
Forest have got the players, I just think they lack the fight and motivation, and they don't seem to fear MW if they lose, in Clough's day if they made that many mistakes he would have torn them a new one, and they be dropped,
I don't think there's harmony in the camp and it's been MW doing, there was much hope in pre season so what's happened. Lichaj Hobbs and Fox are experienced defenders and Mancienne/Bridcutt in front of them to protect them, build from the back, then MW might get some success.
Murphy and Cummings did well, but Murphy looked tired in the second half, but subbed Cummings, then Vellios should be coming on, not Brereton, that's what he was doing in pre season. His stubbornness will get him sacked.


 

 

27 Sep 2017 09:36:41
Who'd be a football manager? Or an owner for that matter?
Before a ball was kicked this season, if you had polled the Forest fans and asked the questions: doing you want to see passing football or hoof ball? We would have all voted to play football.

If you had asked the question do we give our home grown talent a run in the first team? Again the poll would have shown a categoric yes.

Mark Warburton is trying to do both of the above and it is not working. What does the manager and the owner do in these circumstances? Dougie Freedman played it tight kept us up and was sacked, because the crowd, wrongly in my view, considering the embargo, wanted to see more adventurous football.

When any team loses a string of games like we have there are always theories flying around as to why. Warburton needs to play Vellios, Warburton needs to have a plan B, Warburton needs to drop Mills, needs to bring back Lichaj.
Vellios and Murphy are the same type of player, you play one or the other. I for one am happy to stick with Murphy. If Murphy gets injured Vellios will be a great replacement.
If plan A is to pass the ball and Plan B is to hoff it, I don't want Mark Warburton to change his plan. Passing the ball last night created numerous chances. I am not a huge fan of systems and think a lot of garbage is talked about formations, but last night Mark Warburton changed the formation for the umpteenth time this season. Last night he played 5 at the back and two up front. Mark Warburton does have numerous plans any suggestion that he doesn't is garbage. His only constant principle is one he shares with Sir Brian himself, football is a passing game.

Matt Mills and Joe Worrall are struggling at the moment. Mills cannot play on Saturday because he has already collected 5 bookings. Last night Mancienne returned to the side thus dispelling the myth that Mark Warburton does not use the players available to him.
On last nights display Mancienne would be a shoe in to replace Mills, but Mancienne came off injured.
The truth is Mills and Worrall have played the majority of games because they are the two centre halves who have stayed free of injury.

In my head a Hobbs Mancienne partnership would be our best option, but how can you build a team around two centre back that spend more time on the treatment table than the pitch.

Lastly do you play the kids or don't you? Smith, Worrall, Brererton, Walker, and Osborn are all great prospects. The truth of the matter is though, they are all still learning their trade, in the Championship, in front of 20,000 plus fans.

I think the key to our season is how these young lads develop. Smith, Osborn and Worrall are improving, but are still liable to the odd mistakes.

Walker and Brererton cannot get a game in their favoured position, so are being asked to play wide. Why Grant is scoring goals for fun over the Trent Walker and Brererton are living off scraps. I don't think either of the young strikers are good enough yet to keep out Murphy, so it is a tricky. P


1.) 27 Sep 2017 09:52:39
Great post wishey.


2.) 27 Sep 2017 10:25:10
Osborn did very well last night and wants the ball in positions that show he has quality. He's fairly slow though which seems to be highlighted by the unfathamable opportunity the opposition get to progress quickly to the edge of our box. Worrall on the other hand has six mistakes a game in him. You raise a good point about injured players. MW like Pearce and BD is didn't see the risk of having four very injury prone players, who if fit can make a big difference. What worries me most is how much we depend on our 34 year old striker at the minute who was just beginning to look a bit jaded in the last 15mins last night.


3.) 27 Sep 2017 11:01:32
A thought out post wishey and i agree with most. However cloughie told francis your job is to get the ball and give it to robertson. oneil and woodcock also francis could and would run with the ball. Defenders particularly centrals detest players coming at them with the ball. Passing football becomes readable fkr defenders so you need to mix a bit. Hoofball is a poor term fkr getting it to the strikers earlier and it should be deployed as part of mixing things up a bit.
Our defence are cusght time and again with balls played and taken through the centre of defence. We also fall victim to balls across the box to a man drifting in at the far post.
Who would be a manager???? Plenty of takers


4.) 27 Sep 2017 11:20:37
Three things about your post Wishey: Vellios is not the same as Murphy as he cannot hold the ball up and wait for other players at least I've never seen him do it, and he does not dominate the box as Murphy can do. MW did not play 5 at the back last night only 3, Traore and Darikwa played as wingers. As for Mills I've said again and again if you leave him on his own on the edge of the box to tackle fast players he will find himself fouling them, mainly because those players should have been stopped in their tracks by a DM well before getting near our area - Bridcutt, if he is a DM should be doing that, but I fear we will have to wait for Vaughan to come back for it to happen.


5.) 27 Sep 2017 11:26:07
Agree totaly wishey. Too many short sighted supporters. Having said that, I am starting to feel the frustration a bit now too. Warbo needs to look at changing style to steady things. Solid 442 to pick up some points won't hurt. He doesn't have to give up on his system but realise you can't change things overnight. There are still players he wants to move on and more to come in so all in good time eh? The worry is if he flogs a dead horse confidence disappears and we end up in the dog fight at the bottom again.


6.) 27 Sep 2017 13:12:30
Bsered

You make my point about system brilliantly. If we were not playing 5 at the back why play 2 fullbacks on the wing?

Because no matter what formation you play you get as many players behind the ball when you are defending and as many up when you attack.


7.) 27 Sep 2017 13:45:11
Mills picked up a booking last night correct me if i'm wrong but i think that was his 5th so won't play on saturday


8.) 27 Sep 2017 15:52:20
Wishey: Two wing-backs means no wingers, and so curiously MW added a real winger Carayol with 9 mins left to play and took Manc off. With 3 centre backs the midfielders are supposed to drop back when the wing-backs go up - did that happen?


9.) 27 Sep 2017 16:47:18
I thought when Mancienne went off we went to a flat back four, with Traore dropping to a conventional left back.

We certainly started the game with 5 defenders and a defensive midfielder.

The point is Warburton has more than one plan. He plays his team in all kinds of ways. With his only insistence being that the ball is played to feet.


 

 

 

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01 Oct 2017 11:19:58
No Lichaj, no McKay, No Brererton, is there a problem?

Yes there is! I blame the FA and FIFA. They will only allow us to play 11 players. I mean, how unfair is that?


 

 

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07 Sep 2017 08:50:44
Chris Cohen is honest and loyal enough to make his own descision about retirement. I hope it is not soon. End of!


 

 

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07 Sep 2017 08:48:54
Yes, but look at the houses he went on to build.


 

 

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25 Aug 2017 06:13:34
I would always be guarded about buying anyone Steve Bruce is willing to sell.


 

 

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26 Jul 2017 22:23:39
I once went to a talk by Stuart Pearce. When asked who the best player he had worked with he said Mica Richards.

Unfortunately he also said that by the time he left Man City there was only one thing bigger than his ego and that was his arse. Psychos Way of saying he got to big for his boots.

I would also be very wary of buying anyone that Steve Bruce is willing to sell.


 

 

 

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16 Oct 2017 11:02:53
We did play well and had McKay scored when clean through you wouldn't be moaning!

I like Murphy, but he was knackered yesterday. If he wants a 3 year contract at 34 he should consider retiring from international football and concentrate on the team that pays his salary.


 

 

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16 Oct 2017 10:38:14
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I agree we sacked Pearce too soon. I do like Warburton yes. He is trying to play football. Is it Warburton's team? Partially, yes. That is my point. We allow Managers like Pearce, like Freedman, like O'Driscoll and even Montanier to an extent, we allow them to come in, they start to bring in the players they want, or can afford and then we get rid of them because results are not instantly promotion standard.

Part of Warburton's plan is what many of us said we wanted, that being to give the kids a chance. With kids you get bags of energy, but the odd lapse of concentration. Warburton and the kids need time.

I am no greater fan of Mark Warburton than I was of any of the other managers I have mentioned, but he is in the hot seat right now and I want him to be given at least one full season to show what progress his side can make.

If we finish outside the relegation zone and the kids have had a full season. I would give him another full season.

David Vaughan, Chris Cohen and Jack Hobbs are all really good players but all at the wrong end of injury ravaged careers. Warburton can and will play these players if he is desperate for results, but he is trying to build a team for the future as much as anything.

He tried desperately to bring in a more experienced keeper and his old centre half from Brentford. When they failed to materialise he turned to players like Smith and Worrall. The young lads are getting better all the time, but they are young and it will take time.

Give the manager time. That is where we cocked up in the past, it can't be allowed to happen again. A new manger now just brings in more new players and we start from scratch again.


 

 

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16 Oct 2017 09:46:26
Sam Allardyce has retired and if we bring him to the club we will have at least 10 midfield players who will be surplus to requirements.


 

 

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16 Oct 2017 09:44:10
Like the Swansea play off game you mean? Davies was given a fortune and still couldn’t bully his way out of the league. He ignored the Academy, the only thing that has kept us afloat since he left. He can rot in his pile of Forest cash north of the border.

Dougie Freedman on the other hand had no money and did a good job. Despite having no fit strikers he was sacked for not attacking enough. I remember at the time we had loads of inside information on Dougie’s time at Palace, funny that!


 

 

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06 Oct 2017 16:24:46
Pearce, but we should move on.

Traore is a class player. Imho