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31 Dec 2017 18:04:38
And how much will it cost the club to pay off Warburton, Weir and McParland?

How much of a transfer kitty will the new man want? Not one of you didn’t want these three when they were appointed. I think there was even a campaign in here to ensure McParland was hired.

You won’t see the hypocracy, you won’t see the madness. You haven’t for the past 10 years when a procession of decent managers have been hounded from the club.

You’ll start on this owner soon. It is only a matter of time.
You don’t want stability, disruption adds a little spice to what otherwise are sad little lives

1.) 31 Dec 2017 18:12:32
Happy New Year!

2.) 31 Dec 2017 18:16:16
Scathing description of some of the people on here. The sad truth is, a lot of them don’t realise this actually describes them perfectly.

Sad day.

3.) 31 Dec 2017 18:27:07

Any possible new manager will be told hoe much is available, if they are not happy they will not sign.

From what i gather McPharland left of his own will.

4.) 31 Dec 2017 18:32:53
I for one am saddened that another manager has gone but equally I do not want to be relegated to league 1.
Warburtons results were just not good enough and whilst I expect people to disagree . better a change now while we have a chance to regroup and deploy a new football strategy
Let's just hope it will be a Happy New year

5.) 31 Dec 2017 18:42:22
Has someone started on the new years tipples early Wishey 🍺🍺🍺

6.) 31 Dec 2017 18:45:17
Your description of most of the posters on this site is absolutely accurate.

Another premature and costly decision taken on the eve of the transfer window.

Our club is a laughing stock and so are most it’s fans.

We have made massive progress in the 9 months of new ownership.

What happened to Randall’s quote of “intensive care”,and “it will take time” and “Mark will be given time”? Pathetic!!

7.) 31 Dec 2017 19:11:43
If we won every game there would be nobody on this site.

8.) 31 Dec 2017 19:19:06
North Notts have to agree with you.
My worry is I've heard similar things in the past from the likes of Mark Arthur,
Randall says nothing hardly,it was just a buttering up exercise to appease the fans the owners need to come up with the right man and if they can't get him now then wait and at least get this one right.
Or well be discussing the same thing come the summer.
Stability was the most important thing this season,not panic.

9.) 31 Dec 2017 19:33:15
Absolutely the right decision. It wasn’t getting better it was getting worse. The January targets were more Scottish dross.

Every game will be different with teams adopting diffrent styles, formations and tactics. You must adapt, on a wet and windy night away at Burton on a bog of a pitch you can’t play tic tac football!

Warburton was a stubborn man and time to go.

10.) 31 Dec 2017 19:47:21
Wrong question?

How much will it cost to lose 5,000 fans every game?

5,000 x £20 = £100,000 per game.

11.) 31 Dec 2017 20:24:32
We won’t lose any fans if the right Manager is appointed.

Funds will be given to sign good players in the right area.

We need a goalkeeper with experience, an old fashioned Tony Adams style centre half who can lead a goal scorer and another combative midfield player.

Right additions and all will be good.

12.) 01 Jan 2018 00:46:39
This all feels a little like Brexit, doesn’t it?

Short sighted people voting for OUT.

Long sighted voting for IN.

13.) 01 Jan 2018 01:50:30
I wanted Rowett actually and I remember quite a few others on here as well saying the same.Nobody on this site or playing on keyboards had anything to do with sacking the manager and if you believe this it's embarrassing and your deluded. 20k plus crowd booing at the end of another poor home performance will have been echoing in the ears of the hierarchy within the city ground.Business people/football people who have decided change is needed.Happy new year n all that. .

14.) 01 Jan 2018 06:32:44
Sorry LDN red this has nothing to do with Brexit. Some of the performances have been woeful and for me getting worse. Sunderland have probably been the worst team at City Ground this season and we couldn't break them down. MW sacking has been coming rumours of bust ups with players, first team players not happy etc etc. It's about results and although some performances have been decent a lot haven't. The signings made also have not exactly been successful. Mackay is inconsistent, Cummings looks out of his depth against experienced Championship defenders. I like Bridcutt. Bouchalakis reminds me of Kasami and Dariwka looks like he needs to been in League 1. Murphy st 34 can't be expected to play every game and against Sunderland he looked tired. With 3 tough fixtures up next I can see up slipping further down the table.

15.) 01 Jan 2018 08:58:09
no 22 we lost about 15000 fans in 15 minutes against wednesday

16.) 01 Jan 2018 09:35:37
Tbh posting on here makes us all a bit sad 😟😟

17.) 01 Jan 2018 11:26:33
Long sighted people voted to remain and keep MW, oh do stop talking twaddle. I saw no referendum from the club asking us to vote to keep him? I suppose the club is going into recession now LDNRed? We're doomed. 😨

18.) 01 Jan 2018 11:47:41
Personally I think wishey you must have a very sad outlook on life after that description of people on here it's supposed to be a banter site obviously you don't have that if you think the owners look on here what we talk about your a sad deluded person

19.) 01 Jan 2018 12:14:07
Purely an anology of course so to take it quite literally is a little strange.

The point behind it all was that he was aware of our short comings and wanted to recruit players to improve us. To this day, I still believe he would’ve improved us given time.

20.) 01 Jan 2018 12:22:20
Only weak people that want to be controlled by external powers voted for IN, LDN red.

21.) 01 Jan 2018 23:03:36
That's what I'm talking about Psycho.👏👏👏



09 May 2017 20:03:54
Now that Fawaz is gone, will all those boycotting the club return?

Or will they wait to see how the new guy spends his money, before continuing their boycott.

Anyone who thinks that with the departure of Fawaz, we have got rid of the problem within the club is deluded.

Fawaz was a problem without a doubt, but he was not the only problem and by no stretch of the imagination the biggest.

We have thousands of good loyal fans and they are among the best in the country.

We also have a few hundred not so loyal fans. These fans think they are loyal, but they are very fickle. They are too quick to criticise, they want the club to spend money it does not have and they are forever threatening to boycott the ground. They were there under Nigel Doughty and they are still there.

1.) 09 May 2017 20:17:50
Spend money we do not have. Wonder what their politics are.

2.) 09 May 2017 20:21:40
The only thing that protesting does is saves the protesters money. How often has a club changed its attitude on a subject because of protesting.

Watching boring football is more interesting than standing up holding a bit of wood, or banner spouting words that have no effect, and that is saying something.

3.) 09 May 2017 20:30:39
No one should boycott the club they support just because they don't like the owner, it makes things worst and while I am very glad to see the back of him, he didn't wake up one morning and think, you know what I'm going to buy forest and waste 100 million pounds and run the club into the ground. no one does that and there are plenty of owners just as bad as him on running a club.
Villa, Leeds sheep, Birmingham, Sheffield clubs, wolves, Coventry,
All clubs whose fans believe they belong in the prem, but all badly run and that's why they are with us.

{Ed001's Note - surely it depends on what the owner has done?}

4.) 09 May 2017 20:48:19
Edd agree and at least Fawaz is selling now, for all Blackburn and Coventry fans protests they're still lumbered with their owners.
Blackpool fans have boycotted and the oystons are still in charge and they've built em three quarters of a stadium but ruined the club in the process .
Staying away achieves nothing.

{Ed003's Note - You need to do some research on Blackpool,the stadium was paid for by football league grants and Valeri Belekon's ( a 20 % shareholder) investment and as a side note is suing the Oyston's in the high court this summer.
The Blackpool fans are staying away as a 'not a penny more protest' as many monies have been taken out of the football club and put in the Oyston's other business's,why would any Blackpool fan go and pay in when their money is diverted away from the club,never mind the countless and still ongoing legal actions against fans ? If they don't go their is an appetite for a phoenix club but I doubt it will come to that.

5.) 09 May 2017 21:07:03
I know about blackpool but my point was bad owners in general not a specific case and all that goes with it.

6.) 09 May 2017 21:44:19
The protests were to drive the chairman out, isn't he now going?
I, d say those who put up bits of wood and words that obviously had no effect? are some of Forests most loyal supporters, people who by regularley attendeding have the absolute right to protest .

The right to protest as been fundamental to what we in England take for granted,
People in charge tend to like their own way always have done always will do.

7.) 09 May 2017 22:02:34
My view on this is that our fans do have unrealistic expectations. We are still victims of the success that set the bar too high for an relatively unfashionable club as it raised expectations too high. No one was in a position to turn the silver into gold and many of us find it frustrating that we can't compete in tier 2.

It's quite hard to understand how we got so bad but I think Clough covered over a lot of rot at the club - God bless him - and it all fell apart quickly around him as his magic sadly ran out.

It's still hard to comprehend the rapidity of our demise which shows that one mans magic made us special rather than the greatness of the club. Fergie wasn't dissimilar but Man Utd ensured the magic of a man set the foundations of a great club.

8.) 09 May 2017 22:41:09
So you've driven an owner out that you detest, are you sure the ship that's sailing in will be better?
How long is he allowed to own the club without successbefore it's time to protest and get rid of him?
He's in charge and it's his money.
Most owners aren't liked even man utd and what they got to moan about
There's no guarantee of success, I'll just be happy to watch my team every week play good football without the fear of relegation and not be laughed at next season.
New era let's hope there's no need for protests.

9.) 09 May 2017 22:50:35
When Sam Longston started his I know best at Derby Sir Brian protested, he walked out!

10.) 10 May 2017 03:18:01

Who is to say that the chairman was not just fed up with his toy.

When you are a manager doing a decent job you have some semblance of power by being prepared to walk out, Clough knew he could make a decent living wherever he decided to go, be it in football or whatever else he turned his hand to.

Fans are just an insignificant byproduct of owning a club.

11.) 10 May 2017 06:25:19
Don't get to excited yet Wisheyeddove according to Companies House Fawaz is still the owner and the deal has not gone through yet. This Greek guy has a lot to prove to the Football League before he can get his hands on our beloved Forest.

12.) 10 May 2017 08:50:06
Agreed Bezman. So far we have had promises from Fawaz that he will, is, has sold the club, but as yet no confirmation that is the case. First things first.

13.) 10 May 2017 14:25:35
Well if fans are just insignificant part of a football club, I'll give up now!

14.) 10 May 2017 16:29:12

Please tell us all :

When on Boxing Day some teams have to travel huge distances, are the fans considered.

When some broadcasting companies change games days, and times at short notice, are the fans considered.

If you wrote, emailed, or phoned the club asking to see someone to discuss something to improve the club, would you be seen.

15.) 10 May 2017 16:48:39
Good point to be fair
Best just to watch the team, have a good day with your mates and keep out of the politics of the club.

16.) 10 May 2017 18:36:37
Some on here saying Fawaz problems have been caused by listening to Gobby fans, others saying fans are irrelevant, you can't have it both ways .
I don, t know one fan who, s happy with the last five years so people are bound to moan but only because things have far beyond what most fans are prepared to tolerate, it, s just been one ba--s up after another and the owner carrying blindly on, no doubt he was still signing players right up to the Jan transfer window, more poor signings .
Most fans I know would be happy just to follow a well run club who do their best and try to fulfill fans hopes, we all know you can't win em all.

17.) 10 May 2017 19:30:27
Carlo but in a way they have both got a point.
To me especially this season this group of players have let us down, after all they are the ones who go on the pitch and Wear the shirt.
They seem to think it's OK to turn it on when it suits and this is a very unforgiving league, you can't do that.
We have a small nucleus of players worth keeping, the rest need to go, they are not up to the job.
This group have cost at least three managers their jobs and as I said before the Ipswich game I left at the final whistle as I don't think they deserve adulation for nearly getting us relegated.
MW hopefully has identified the ones with no bottle for a scrap and will ship em out.
They collectively won the award for the worst forest Away side in 90 years.
So while Fawaz was clueless in how to run the club and I offer no defence for that, the buck stops with the players, they are paid handsomely by the club, the least they could do is wear the shirt with pride and give 100% even in defeat.



20 Apr 2017 22:33:20
I have nothing personal against Jordan Smith, I just don't think he is good enough yet to be our keeper. He was brought in by Gary Brazil, who had a vested interest in playing academy players.

Ask two questions: if Jordan had not renewed his contract a few weeks ago, how many Championship clubs would have snapped him up?

What are the chances that when we have a goalkeeper crisis we discover that our 4th choice keeper at the beginning of the season, a player that has been at the club for over nine years, just happened to be a Championship standard goalkeeper all along?

If he plays the last three games, I wish him well, but his lack of height invites shots and crosses.

1.) 20 Apr 2017 22:54:48
This is why we are such a united team with negative crap like this.
He has been drafted in and has been excellent but still gets critasised.

Truth is we keep losing 1-0 and as a team at the bottom we are easy picking so conceding one goal per game is not the problem. Not scoring ourselves is more a concern.

Let's give the young players support not critasism.

2.) 20 Apr 2017 22:59:51
I really hope Jordan does not read this forum? He has not let the team down. We have had a season of interference in squad assembling and poor tactics despite having a quality squad!

3.) 20 Apr 2017 23:16:53
Understand what you saying but we have no. option
Stoikovic is a total joke
To be honest Shilton wouldn't want to play behind this back four no matter what permutation
Only time we look solid was back three against Huddersfield
Think we should acept we can't defend and a new goalkeeper will. make no difference
When we say unlucky to lose games one nil we had our luck to get three points against Newcastle and villa over a season that evens out
Let's just hope that MW has learnt about this squad he's inherited and goes against his principles and plays two up front, I'm more concerned about the lack of goals than the goalkeeper.

4.) 21 Apr 2017 06:29:42
Young keepers come in and do well and people still give them a pounding for it. evtimov was the same made a few cracking saves but let one in and he's not good enoigh, now smith who was thrown in at the deep end and has done as well as we could of expected yet still gets grief for it. you can't develop as a player unless managers give you a chance to develop and show what your about, peter Shilton was 6ft tall did his height worry you?

5.) 21 Apr 2017 07:18:48
To be fair to Jordan he's only 100% better than Stojkovic and Henderson is injured - at the start of the season everyone wanted Henderson out! In the words of the poison dwarf 'it is what it is' Jordan smith is a good keeper in my opinion.

6.) 21 Apr 2017 14:55:22
sorry, but Smith is better than De Vries and that's coming from a fellow keeper. He's be excellent. He kept us in a few games - especially Derby at CG. He could have done better for the Blackburn goal, but that's it. Vent you frustration at the weak centre backs or lack of creativity in midfield, not at the best keeper we've had since Darlow.

7.) 21 Apr 2017 19:31:00
How many crosses did de vries come for whilst playing for us? never commanded his box by catching a cross or a corner. yet people were angry when we let him go. he was a good shot stopper but hardly ever caught a cross or came for a corner.

8.) 21 Apr 2017 21:26:06
Smith has only conceded on average a goal a game compared to 1.75 goals per game before he came in?

We have a good keeper!

Our problem is a weak midfield attacking the touchline and not the goal!

For all our sanity when is a midfielder going to just look up SHOOT and hit the target?

9.) 21 Apr 2017 22:09:31
So much for the best balanced squad we've put together in years then?
Anyway let's hope we can keep a clean sheet and at least a point, preferably 3 and don't care how ugly it looks anything to stay in championship.
Can't go tomorrow as have a weekend away with some brummie friends, he's city fan he's more worried than us as like he says they could be in Bottom three sat night .
Have radio on though and will be at QPR so 3 points tomorrow please and make my trip to QPR a bit less stressful.
So come on you tricky trees kick sum ass and give the supporters a win that they deserve.
Enjoy your day lads, wish I could be there.

10.) 22 Apr 2017 16:02:42
Nothing wrong with the squad it's the way they are all coached to a playlist and not allowed to express themselves!

11.) 22 Apr 2017 22:29:36
Shilts was never a keeper that used to come for crosses. In all fairness, I can't remember many keepers that do these days. When you have a couple of big centre halfs in front of you, it's asking for trouble coming out trying to catch balls over their head.



20 Apr 2017 11:03:55
I hear Ben Osborn's Dad has taken to twitter to warn us 'that we will miss him when he has gone. '

Much as I like young Ben and believe he has a bright further in the game, I don't think Forest would miss him if he went. If we got the £4 million being touted I would again think that good business.

Ben's greatest asset is his fitness, he will run forever. In a game he will cover every blade of grass. When though was the last time you saw Ben go into a tackle and come out with the ball? When did you see him burst from midfield to start an attack or thread a ball through for another forward to score?

In an era when James Milner has over 70 England caps, I guess just being fit is good enough. Or maybe that is what is wrong with England too. Good professional fit players who do nothing but run around.

Benny if you do leave, do yourself a favour, spend a few training sessions watching what David Vaughan does when his ageing legs get him into the action areas. You still have a lot to learn son and if your Dad thinks otherwise he is giving you bad advice.

Tony Woodcock went to Lincoln on loan once upon a time, realised how well off he was at Forest and came back a far better person and player.

1.) 20 Apr 2017 11:48:50
My feelings exactly, Ben has no end product, a cross, pace to beat a man, a through ball, a finish. His pass completion stats are very good because he is world class at passing the ball to the left back!

2.) 20 Apr 2017 12:46:06
He'll still be first on the team sheet on Saturday wether we like it or not
But the match day squad picks itself because he won't play any of the loan players so if we do drop him it's who we bring in for him
Bit confused about manciene cus he'll be on the bench and if we get an injury in defence he'd have to come on thus opening the clause in his contract, are we sure he has an option in his contract that stated yesterday?

3.) 20 Apr 2017 12:59:22
If Ben Osborn is going to the Premiership the minimum fee is £10m for a squad player!

I think he would shine with better players around him but he still will not score enough goals, move the ball quickly enough and get bullied in the centre of the park to be a top class player.

He is not our new Andy Reid and never will be!

4.) 20 Apr 2017 15:56:50
I don't agree with any of this at all. Osborn is one of the players we should base the next Forest team around. We will miss him badly if he goes, and he will succeed elsewhere, despite all the banal and silly comments on Twitter etc.

5.) 20 Apr 2017 18:18:09
Bsered- I hope you've included those silly comments that apparently came from his father?

6.) 20 Apr 2017 19:43:15
If he's not playing centrally he shouldn't be in the team. Never been a wide player never will be.

7.) 20 Apr 2017 19:59:17
Osborn is our top assister this season and has created the most chances of anyone in the squad.
People moaning about him not passing forwards (his stats are 50% forward) but if there's no players to pass to in space you play the way your facing.

8.) 20 Apr 2017 20:57:01
Stats can hide a lot of things. He may well have stats of 50 per cent forward but that doesn't show how difficult or creative the pass was. The goalkeeper probably has a near 100 per cent forward pass rate but it doesn't make him the next iniesta!

9.) 20 Apr 2017 22:12:23
On Osborn playing centrally you either have to be very gifted with that stature or have a nasty streak or a bit of both.
In this day of modern football it is near impossible not to get suspended playing in midfield, but he dosent because he dosent do 50/ 50 challenges.
So therefore dose not get booked and he hasn't got the ability to split defences and is not exactly a goal threat so to me only one place in the side at the moment and that's left wing.
The great robbo thought he was a central midfielder till cloughy told him different and the rest is history
So unless he can add a goal threat or a nasty streak can't see him progressing.

10.) 20 Apr 2017 23:03:14
If he was good at geometry he would be a world beater. It cannot be everyone else's fault if he cannot play a striker in?



15 Apr 2017 10:00:17
The game today made me fear relegation even more, because the game reminded me so much of our last spell in Division one.

Blackburn, yes they were playing as well, produced a classic City Ground away performance.

Often with 10 men behind the ball, they wasted time from the first minute and gave the impression they were happy with a 0:0 draw. Then with the crowd on the home teams back, with frustration levels at maximum, they hit us with the sucker punch.

Mowbray, never a manager to send out entertaining teams, was in his element.

Yes Forest were not as sharp, because they were not allowed to be. Every time Forest tried to insert some momentum to the game, Blackburn stifled it.

All it need was a referee who thought that the 26,000 crowd had come to watch him and the nightmare scenario was complete.

If we survive the drop, I am sorry Jordan, but the first thing we need is a goalkeeper. Jordan Smith is a great lad, but is simply not big enough. I have not seen a replay of their goal, but headers should not be scored from corners from that close range.

Cardiff will attack on Monday. It will be tough but that game will suit another Huddersfield performance.

1.) 15 Apr 2017 11:26:31
Wish how did you rate shilton as a goalkeeper?
What keeper would you bring in that's big enough to stop all goals from corners?

2.) 15 Apr 2017 12:47:09
Fat Albert or Dennis Russo.

3.) 15 Apr 2017 13:12:39
Bobby mimms.

4.) 15 Apr 2017 13:24:25
Mr Creosote.

5.) 15 Apr 2017 14:36:35
Mr. Blobby.

6.) 15 Apr 2017 15:25:49
With the greatest respect to yourself and to Jordan Smith, there is only one Peter Shilton and no goalkeeper before or since has come close to matching him.

Jordan is still learning his trade and may one day be a Championship goalkeeper, he should not be doing so in a relegation threatened Forest first team. IMHO

His lack of height may not turn out to be an issue, right now his lack of experience is! He is nowhere near international standard, which begs the question, how is he keeping the current Bulgarian goalkeeper out of the team?

7.) 15 Apr 2017 18:03:58
Albert Iremonger .6,6"

8.) 15 Apr 2017 20:03:18
You said he simply isn't big enough! which suggests you think his height and stature isn't big enough to be a keeper or a good keeper. now you go onto his experience! sounds like your backtracking to me. next season he will have a half season ish of experience behind him to crack on and improve next season. the only way he will get better is playing championship football behind the players at the club he plays for so he gets to gel with them and they gel with him.

9.) 15 Apr 2017 20:18:29
Jordan Smith 6'2"
Karl Darlow 6'1"
Dorus de Vires 6'1"
Lee Camp 6'1"
Stephen Henderson 6'2"

I suggest that height is a non issue its about talent and mobility?

10.) 15 Apr 2017 21:04:23
Beg to differ Wisheydove Steve Sutton was a very good keeper!

11.) 15 Apr 2017 20:51:21
Why do some blokes always add a couple of inches on?
Peter Shilton 6,1
Peter Grummitt 5,10
Gordon Banks 5,11

12.) 15 Apr 2017 23:09:23
Hans Van Breukelen was next best came very close to Shilton
Had the pleasure of meeting him again last year at a 150th anniversary evening and he isn't the tallest but great goalkeeper.

13.) 16 Apr 2017 00:11:01
Ray Clemence was a superb keeper, can't believe he isn't mentioned! Must be my age!

14.) 16 Apr 2017 01:19:13
Chris Woods was up there and we should have kept him!

15.) 16 Apr 2017 02:04:01
What about BIG Nev Southall! Took a bloody brave striker to take him on one on one at close quarters.

16.) 16 Apr 2017 10:25:51
We have plenty of goalkeepers, no point in buying another, there are other priorities.

17.) 16 Apr 2017 11:11:58
Makes me laugh we put so much emphasis on the youngsters and the academy and then try to push one of them backwards rather than stick with him, some fans attitudes are very similar to the current owner who they slate. As a club we need to decide on a way forward and stick with it-some of our fans will not accept that though and unfortunately that is one of the reasons why we will always be a disjointed club.

18.) 16 Apr 2017 11:26:04
Jordan Smith is actually 6 ft not 6ft 2 lol, he's not exactly small. again people not giving a good young keeper a chance, then these same people will moan about selling how best young players velios has a better strike rate than brereton does this mean the later isn't good enough to play in front of velios? I think not.

19.) 16 Apr 2017 15:18:11
Smith has been bought in at a sticky point in the season and for a young lad like that to come in and do as well as he has with no massive mistakes against his name suggests that he is a very good keeper in the making. fans not giving him a chance again proves how bad some fans are.

20.) 16 Apr 2017 18:22:55
Well said utf wasn't his fault for the goal and he's saved us more than once since he came in
Any one who prefers stoikovic needs their heads looking at the guys made more mistakes than a little he's a joke.




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04 Aug 2018 12:45:22
Just a quick message to everyone on here.

Wishing everyone of you all the best for the coming season.

To the positive ones among you, keep up the good work.

Come on you reds

1.) 04 Aug 2018 14:41:12
Why the thumb down ?😕



01 Jan 2018 09:42:26
Forest are a basket case and almost unmanageable. With 10 managers in 5 years, with 3 owners spending millions, we have become like spoiled children. We have no respect for owners or managers, we can use and abuse them, because we know that no matter what we say or do to them, there will always be another one along after this one.
Managers with ounce of self respect won’t touch us with a barge pole. Even Brian Clough would not have survived in today’s environment. Those of us old enough to remember will know that our moaners did not spare Sir Brian from there grumbling. Double European Champions we may have been, but we still had knowall moaners and we still struggled to fill the ground on a consisted basis.

They hate being called fickle, but that is exactly what they are. There are surprisingly few of them, but they make a lot of noise. Just 17 thumbs down is the best they can muster, even when you attack them directly.

At the ground they think booing at young players is good for their development.

I feel conned right now! I paid for 2 season tickets, believing that this was a brave new era. We appointed a manager who brought his Brentford side to the City ground to give us a footballing lesson. We were going to ship out the journeymen. We were going to bring in young hungry talent and we were going to try and play football.

Inconsistency was always going to be the problem and I was not blind to some of the inconsistency on view.

I did see the average age of the team plummet. I did see passing style, that yes at times was slow and predictable, but when it came off was brilliant to watch.

I have defended Mark Warburton, not because of the man himself, but because I could see he was trying to build something. He was not given a massive transfer fund. He spent less than £5million.

Note I always refer to our manager as Mark Warburton, I do this because it is a show of respect. The alternative employed by the moaners, is first to drop the first name, Warburton this and Warburton that is the first sign of disrespect. Then comes the disrespectful nickname: The Breadman was the preferred nickname of our most recent manager.

Then comes the false information campaign he only has a plan A and no plan B. This makes you suspect that the moaners either do not attend games or no nothing about football. I have seen him play 2 up front, I have seen him play 3 at the back, I have seen him play with 1 or 2 holding midfielders.

He has done nothing elsewhere is another piece of false information. He built Brentford from a struggling 1st division side to a good footballing Championship play off team. He took a bankrupt Rangers back to the Scottish Premier League.

Enough is enough, I am not prepared to get behind another manager only to watch the poor soul destroyed by idiots.

3 owners, dozens of managers and only one consistent factor, our fickle fans have been the only constant in our continued decline.

Yesterday our new owners took one huge step backwards and cheered up 17 people on this forum. I had hoped for more resolve, not for Mark Warburton’s sake, but for the long term future of the club I have loved for over 50 years.

Happy New Year to you all and good luck to our next new manager and the one after that.
And that’s a goodnight from him.

1.) 01 Jan 2018 10:49:19
Yes Wishey - enough is enough, and that's a goodbye from me.

2.) 01 Jan 2018 11:01:34
Let it go, Wishey. You're really losing the plot. "The Breadman" is disrespectful? Its just based on his surname being a brand of bread. You're seriously moaning at people for doing that? Just respect the decision of the people who paid millions for the club. I first signed up to this forum to beg people not to use the word 'tent' in posts about Fawaz. THAT was wrong. Breadman isn't. You've embarrassed yourself now. Do you think Jason Cummings minds the hibs fans referring to him as Cumdog? No, because its banter. If only there was a forum for banter.
That said, peace and love to you and yours and every Forest fan.

3.) 01 Jan 2018 11:13:03
Great Post Wishey and so true, a clear picture of what has gone on.

I'm sure there will be a lot more short sidedness to come, unless people are prepared to be patient we will be going through this whole cycle again before we know it.

Good luck Forest today.

4.) 01 Jan 2018 11:18:26
Wishey, you're entitled to your opinion but 17 thumbs down on here didn't cost MW his job. The boos and the thousands leaving the ground early, may have. The owners had worked hard to get those fans back, fickle or not, obviously as a business you need to keep your customers happy. Finally, trying to promote a style of football and blood so much youth is admirable. But if you don't win football games, you lose your job. Blaming a section of the fans for MW losing his job, doesn't wash with me. IMO.

5.) 01 Jan 2018 11:28:33
Another cartoon by wishey - quite the comedian. I notice the key fact you neglect to quote is the facts that matter the quantity of defeats and the goals against column - a brat indicator of a teams competitiveness and ability to not get beat. Shops are open today brother perhaps pop out and by yourself some tissues.

By the way you incessant pop at supporters on this page is laughable, there is only one person behaving like a spoilt child because they didn’t get there own way and it’s you. You’re that self obsessed with your own views you honestly thought you could make everyone on here believe there was progress. Get back to the cartoons.

6.) 01 Jan 2018 11:41:27
Not one for sacking managers for the sake of it without having a replacement lined up so hopefully we have. I think Warburton is too stubborn for his own good though. It's ultimately about winning games and playing pretty football counts for nothing.

We should all remember he isn't that experienced. He lasted only one and a half seasons at Brentford having taken over a team already on the up and similar at Rangers. He's a nice bloke but whether a manager gets time to develop a team or not it is winning that counts and not how many passes you can make more than your opponents and perhaps if he'd developed a winning mentality first then play more expansive football then we might not be talking about his demise now.

7.) 01 Jan 2018 12:09:32
His cards were already marked wishey by the Owner and not the fans.
Do you really believe the fans on here have enough influence and cloat to remove a manager?
Of course we don't Warburton was his own worst enemy.
Instead of the sour grapes because your man has gone stand by the players and get behind the team.

He rightly had to go along with the other 2 stooges.
You are of course entitled your opinion but do not slate others whose opinions differ to yours because you don't like what in reality is the truth. Happy new May 2018 be a brighter year for our beloved Forest. COYR.



31 Dec 2017 17:07:46
Will we get a new manager? Yes because we pay well, often for a lot longer than the employment.

Will he stay? Not a prayer! Instant, continuous success on a low budget is not achievable and nothing other than that is acceptable for some.

The only progress we have made in 20 years is the Academy and that was a gift from an owner we hounded out.

1.) 31 Dec 2017 17:39:55
Well said wishey oh well let's get behind the next manager for 3 months were keeping the sheep fans happy anyway 😁

2.) 31 Dec 2017 17:45:19
So you finally admit there was no progress under the bread man!
I knew you'd see the light eventually.
You really do need to stop this nonsense of thinking that we are somehow responsible for previous regime failures.

3.) 31 Dec 2017 18:03:30
Wisheyedostrich, once again you have sand in your eyes and are trading in cartoons and fantasies. Do you actually have voices in your head? Hounded the owner out. Dear me lay of the opium man, even Coleridge couldn’t make up the stuff you come out with.

4.) 31 Dec 2017 18:04:42
Red Fred were all responsible for a lot of the managers going also we wanted fawaz in with is big wad of money and in the end when that didn't work we wanted. Rid of him and that's the way it's been since the Clough days with a lot of the fans on here no patience they think we should be a premier league club and it's about time fans realised were just a ordinary championship team with a great past we will see how long it is before your all wanting next manager out and then the owner

5.) 31 Dec 2017 18:43:18
Wishey has summed up our club wonderfully. Owners plaything which can be operated as a cash cow and self promotion tool provided we sell an Academy product for £12m+ every year?
God forbid we stumble on another manager who can get us from A to B in half a season before fickle fans and owners ego scamble brains about actually building a business?
Regretably Forest fans reap what they sow and so we are back to square one greedly sticking our hands in the football sweety jar once again!

6.) 31 Dec 2017 18:45:51
We all wanted MW to succeed even the owners, but he alienated some of the players and eventually it filtered through the squad, it wasn't working and tactically it was all there for us to see, whoever comes in if he gets all the squad behind him the potential is there to push up the league,
The transfer window opens soon and who ever comes in needs time to asses the squad and recruit so it was the right decision by the board.

7.) 31 Dec 2017 18:49:57
Skeg, you are right to a degree but some of us just want us to compete.

8.) 31 Dec 2017 19:00:11
Honestly Skegs I Don't know what some of you are taking but please try and understand that football isn't fantasy but is a business. Like any other business if things Don't go as planned then changes need to be made.
To just shrug your shoulders and carry on is madness.
This is a site for airing our opinions and nothing more. It is in no way some magic portal that utilises the dark arts to influence executive decisions at Forest.
Marinakis is an intelligent man and will have people on the inside reporting to him what has been going on. Fans talking with their feet and leaving games early may make him sit up and take attention but That's as far as it goes.
Happy New Year to all!!

9.) 31 Dec 2017 19:23:36
Happy new year Fred.

10.) 31 Dec 2017 20:07:37
And you 2star.

11.) 01 Jan 2018 02:07:19
Red Fred, absolutely spot on.



31 Dec 2017 10:53:06
We are not fickle are we?

Yet another manager, we all wanted when he arrived. Given months and one window to sort out decades of decline.
The new man will want a clear out and the madness continues.

1.) 31 Dec 2017 11:25:42
I did not want him when he came so don’t put me in with yourself.

2.) 31 Dec 2017 11:34:28
Think you'll find a fair few on here, myself included wanted Rowett. Ask Skeg. He was head of the anti Rowett brigade.

3.) 31 Dec 2017 12:03:23
Rowett already had the players at the sheep that's the difference anyway. Df coming. 😂



31 Dec 2017 10:29:13
I bet the new manager thinks we need 5/6 new signings




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28 Dec 2017 09:19:04
Yes perks, but not for the want of trying.

He has had one window and less than a year to turn around a decade or more of decline.

Still think that impatience within the fan base is a big problem at our club. I understand it to a point, but it is a problem.

Part of the crowd problem has been numbers of bums on seats. We are improving in that regard. We still need to be more positive.

The Shef Wed game was appalling, but he did try to play with our future stars. They just didn’t do the business on the day. On chances created 4:1 would have been a fair score at half time.
The penalty was a penalty, but if referees were consist there would be 10 penalties a game if man handling players at corners was penalised



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25 Oct 2017 22:59:52
Is that the same Pinillos who was coming back after his second ACL injury? (Career threatening) Good player but equally as injury prone.



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23 Oct 2017 21:54:21
Not my place to enlighten anyone!

I give my opinion and I am glad Mark Warburton is our manager.

I am glad he is trying to play football from the back, yes! If only a handful of players are happy playing football, then we have the wrong players. I suspect that we have more players happy to pass the ball than you think. Mark Warburton has had one transfer window to change a side that stayed up on goal difference. And our top goal scorer left in that window and made it clear he wanted the move.

I am glad he has a squad and not just 11 first team players. I have also made it clear that at times part of our problem is that some fans are part of the problem.

Good Clubs and teams are built, which is harder to do than it seems on Xbox



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23 Oct 2017 13:21:30
It is most definitely a forum for opinions. Although the mighty Ed does have a powerful role in that.

Mark Warburton took over a team that escaped relegation on goal difference. Eric Lichaj was very much part of that team. He iwas rightly named player of the season. Did we need another right back? Yes we did. Was Lichaj dropped at the beginning of the season, no he was not. He came back from international duties and was behind others in pre season preparation.

Praising Darikwa after Eric’s performance on Saturday was a brilliant piece of man management. Keeping the players who are not in the team is key to our future success.

The purchase of Darikwa has made Eric a better player.

The character assassination of managers is insipid. It starts by dropping his Christian name, then we get the derogatory nickname like ‘the breadman’ We also get posts from the so called ‘come in peace Rangers fans’

Mark Warburton is a very intelligent man. He is trying to turn a crippled club around. He is trying to play football and he is giving younger players a chance. He can only pick 11 in the team and 18 in the squad. We are never all going to agree with his selections, it’s about opinions. But it is time our supported trusted someone and stopped talking the man and his team down.



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23 Oct 2017 10:56:43
I know the point being made I just don’t agree.

There is a disturbing trend on these pages of making out that Mark Warburton does not know what he is doing. That trend has been seen only too often in recent years and ends with a call for the Chairman to sack the manager.

Darikwa is a good full back who as with Players like Carayol and Vellios before him he needs time to settle into the club. If god forbid Eric gets injured before Saturday, we will be glad we have Darikwa.

I could even make a case for playing both Lichaj and Darikwa on the right.

Our mixture of young home grown talent and astute signing has us with the strongest squad in a long time.

If I was a manager with an eye for man management I would be praising Darikwa after his replacement has just been rightly voted man of the match.

As I said earlier something is motivating Lichaj to play out of his skin. In our present mood of manager bashing we don’t want to think that Mark Warburton has anything to do with making Lichaj a better player.




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31 May 2018 12:48:53
We beat Everton 3:2 in the quarter final Ian Storey Moore hat-trick.
Lost to Spurs in the semi 2:1 Alan Gilzean and Jimmy Greaves scored for Spurs

Same year er came runners up to Man U in the League
Hindley McKinlay Hennesey Winfield
Lyons Newton Barnwell Storey Moore
Wignall Baker



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08 Jan 2018 19:49:06

You have brought me out of retirement twice now. (Don’t worry, I am not stopping)

This time though, I just had to post to say. Great Post and I could not agree more.

My choices for the next Manager were a nostalgic Martin ONeill or Nigel Clough appontment, but Karanka is a good choice and like you I hope everyone gets behind him.



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06 Jan 2018 23:00:21
I wouldn’t disrespect your intelligence hogpuma, that’s been bought and paid for, that has.

Now I’ve thanked you for my grammar lesson and I’m sure Greyandredman appreciated his Latin lesson, but if I want insulting I have to tell you, you’ll have to up your game. Contrary Mary! I’m cut to the quick, I am. However am I going to sleep.



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06 Jan 2018 22:28:05
Oh there you go again hogpuma.

I was not having a go at ‘everyone’. There are several people, who post on this site, I have the upmost respect for. I was actually having a go ‘back’ at two posters who were having a a laugh at my expense, because the brave little warriors didn’t think I was here.

Thanks for the grammar lesson (Sic. indeed)



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06 Jan 2018 21:59:07
Contain yourself 2 Star, I’m not stopping.

Just couldn’t resist playing gooseberry. So touching, to be the catalyst that brought you together.

To get a grammar lesson TOO was a bonus.