17 Dec 2017 10:18:37
With respect, calm down dears! We are a work in progress, after the disastrous years under Fawaz we are rebuilding a club that is, in the words of our sensible and realistic chairman, in intensive care. Mid table stability would do just fine for me this season. Only semi mythical legends like Cloughie take struggling 2nd division sides to European Champions in a couple of years and that was in the days of a more level playing field financially. We now have a properly run club with a policy of recruiting mostly young players supported by a successful academy system which hides well for the future. We aspire to and sometimes achieve playing lovely football. Let's have patience fellow Reds and think where we were last season. Rome wasn't built in a day though Cloughie wasn't on that particular job!

1.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 10:47:43
Stokey you are right about work in progress etc but i think what most fans want is a plan B when we go behind or our plan A is sussed at the moment he is subbing like for like,i don't want him sacked but if he doesn't change his formations soon and start grinding out away draws or possibly ugly away wins i think Marinakis will get rid which would be a shame because if he can get the players to play his way i think we will be awesome 😈

2.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 11:50:17
He played three at the back yesterday,That's a different formation,then had to change it when mills got injured,he's played three at the back a few times,there's your plan b

3.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 12:32:14
I don't believe there is any planning at all. He puts players in and hopes for the best. Without firm and clear leadership on the pitch the players go wherever they like and leave gaps especially between midfield and defence. We have wingers who don't get back to defend, and yesterday even Murphy had to support the defence standing at a post. He's stopped the kick-it-and-run but in the first half yesterday all the defenders did was play hoofball and either kick or head the ball out of play giving the opposition throw-ins and corners. I want MW to succeed but I'm not sure he's too clear on what to do and in any case he hasn't got the players to do it. We need to start using some of the youngsters who are playing so well in the U18 and U21 sides. Cash would have been far better than Bouchalakis yesterday, and McKay definitely should have started - Carayol only made one run into their penalty area as far as I could tell.

4.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 13:03:02
FF79. Where did you get 3 at the back from? Back 4 started. Lichaj Worrall Mills and Mancienne.

5.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 14:18:07
FF79-are you Warbo in disguise?

6.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 16:18:03
No,it,s UTF in disguise ?
CARLO

7.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 20:22:21
Don't get me wrong fellow Reds,Warburton is no Clough but then again who could be? It occurred to me with all the posts about team selection,formations,3 or 4 at the back,plan A plan B etc (and I include my own posts in that) that Clough didn't get bogged down in such stuff and said football was a simple game made complicated by people who know nothing about it.He told his players not to worry about the opposition but let them worry about us.He motivated his team's to go out believing they were unbeatable and mostly they were. He made very few changes to his team's both in personnel and philosophy and above all kept it simple so that everyone knew their jobs collectively and individually.Perhaps i'm being naive in the modern world of football.Thoughts?

8.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 21:27:09
He was a great manager and a leader stokey.
In those days he signed the players,No agents to deal with,No freedom of contract.
They were paid a wage,but their main wage was bonuses based on achievement,How I wish those days were back.
Now we have directors of football,agents,the ruin of football.
Clough signed fit energetic players who would die for him,promised them success and he delivered and so did they,if they didn't he soon showed them the door,he was the boss and everyone knew it.
Game now is so different,even if your an average championship player there on approx 10K, a week,that's far to much in my opinion,but that's football now and it won't change.
He was a genius in seeing what others cudnt in a player,ie.mcgovern,ohare,Gemmill,withe,birtles and probably his greatest was turning a disheveled young Robbo into the best winger I've seen.
The worst two things that ever happened in football was sky and a two bit no good footballer called bosman,money took over and instead of staying in football and going around the clubs it disappears to greedy agents and a lotof overpaid and overated footballers.
It's not a simple game anymore tactically either,I love two up top ,but how many teams in the top two divisions in the world play it?